Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Richard Cyganiak
All, Thanks for the thoughtful feedback regarding schema.rdfs.org, both here and off-list. This is a collective response to various arguments brought up. I'll paraphrase the arguments. Limiting ranges of properties to strings is bad because we LD people might want to use URIs or blank

ANN: alpha version of Schema.org terms-to-RDF translator 'omnidator' available

2011-06-11 Thread Michael Hausenblas
All, The alpha version of omnidator [1] (omnipotent data translator), an online tool and (CORS-enabled) API to translate formats that use Schema.org terms into RDF is now available. Currently only microdata and CSV as input formats are supported, but others (such as OData) are in the

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Richard Cyganiak rich...@cyganiak.de wrote: That's a good point. The problem is that xsd:string is too narrow and rdfs:Literal is too broad. RDF 1.1 is likely to define a class of all string literals (tagged and untagged), we'll use that when its name has

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Richard Cyganiak rich...@cyganiak.de wrote: It's just that the schema.org designers don't seem to care much about the distinction between information resources and angels and pinheads. This is the prevalent attitude outside of this mailing list and we should

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Richard Cyganiak
Alan, Always a pleasure to hear from you. On 11 Jun 2011, at 18:55, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: There already exists such a type that is a W3C recommendation. It is called rdf:PlainLiteral - see http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-plain-literal/ I'm not sure why RDF 1.1 working group is not aware of that.

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Giovanni Tummarello
My sincere congratulations, i had someone overlooked at this level of detail needed here. The choices are pragmatic and - in my personal opinion having talked directly at SemTech with a lot of people involved in this - should serve the community as good as possible. will you be posting this as a

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread David Booth
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:55 +0100, Richard Cyganiak wrote: [ . . . ] http://schema.org/Person is not the same as foaf:Person; one is a class of documents, the other the class of people. I don't think that's correct at all. http://schema.org/Person is the class of people and is equivalent

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/11/11 5:55 PM, Richard Cyganiak wrote: I don't think that's correct at all.http://schema.org/Person is the class of people and is equivalent to foaf:Person. It's just that the schema.org designers don't seem to care much about the distinction between information resources and angels and

Re: ANN: alpha version of Schema.org terms-to-RDF translator 'omnidator' available

2011-06-11 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/11/11 6:08 PM, Michael Hausenblas wrote: All, The alpha version of omnidator [1] (omnipotent data translator), an online tool and (CORS-enabled) API to translate formats that use Schema.org terms into RDF is now available. Currently only microdata and CSV as input formats are

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/11/11 8:20 PM, Richard Cyganiak wrote: Look, Alan. I've wasted eight years arguing about that shit and defending httpRange-14, and I'm sick and tired of it. Google, Yahoo, Bing, Facebook, Freebase and the New York Times are violating httpRange-14. I consider that battle lost. I recanted.

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jun 11, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote: All, Thanks for the thoughtful feedback regarding schema.rdfs.org, both here and off-list. This is a collective response to various arguments brought up. I'll paraphrase the arguments. ... Nothing is gained from the range

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jun 11, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Richard Cyganiak rich...@cyganiak.de wrote: That's a good point. The problem is that xsd:string is too narrow and rdfs:Literal is too broad. RDF 1.1 is likely to define a class of all string literals

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jun 11, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Richard Cyganiak wrote: ... It's just that the schema.org designers don't seem to care much about the distinction between information resources and angels and pinheads. This is the prevalent attitude outside of this mailing list and we should come to terms

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
-Alan On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:57 PM, David Booth da...@dbooth.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:55 +0100, Richard Cyganiak wrote: [ . . . ] http://schema.org/Person is not the same as foaf:Person; one is a class of documents, the other the class of people. I don't think that's correct

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread Lin Clark
David, as you know, it is trivial to distinguish in representation the difference between an information object and a person. I don't understand why you keep repeating this misinformation. -Alan It is trivial to distinguish between an information resource and the resource it talks about if

Re: Schema.org in RDF ...

2011-06-11 Thread David Booth
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:56 -0400, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:57 PM, David Booth da...@dbooth.org wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:55 +0100, Richard Cyganiak wrote: [ . . . ] http://schema.org/Person is not the same as foaf:Person; one is a class of documents, the