Mailing list usage and patents (Re: New Hewlett Packard patent may be a barrier to Semantic Web services adoption)

2013-08-06 Thread Ivan Herman
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WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Glaser
Well, RWW.IO looked exciting, so I decided to start with it. And it seemed a good idea to have an account, so I decided I would finally create a WebID login - I know that lots of people think that this is the Way Ahead. I have a foaf file (actually more than one), and trawling the web, it seems

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 6 August 2013 13:37, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: Well, RWW.IO looked exciting, so I decided to start with it. It *is* exciting! :) And it seemed a good idea to have an account, so I decided I would finally create a WebID login - I know that lots of people think that this is

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Michael Brunnbauer
Hello Hugh, I tried to login into my own subdomain in rww.io with WebID too but was just redirected to the same page. Firefox did not ask for a client key and no error message was displayed. I assumed that WebID on rww.io is broken. Regards, Michael Brunnbauer On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Joe
Hugh, try the MIT WebID provider... https://webid.mit.edu/ You can bootstrap from MIT Certificate or your Google Account and link your existing foaf It works with all the services, rww.io, data.fm, my-profile, etc. in Chrome, Safari, and Firefox.

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 6 August 2013 13:37, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: Well, RWW.IO looked exciting, so I decided to start with it. And it seemed a good idea to have an account, so I decided I would finally create a WebID login - I know that lots of people think that this is the Way Ahead. I have a

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Jürgen Jakobitsch SWC
hugh, this [1] [2] should give you an example of a working webID (i can log into my-profile for example). do you have a public key specified in your webID? you can test your webID here : http://webid.turnguard.com/WebIDTestServer 1. hit Utils and the below Parser, enter your webID and hit

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 8/6/13 7:55 AM, Joe wrote: Hugh, try the MIT WebID provider... https://webid.mit.edu/ You can bootstrap from MIT Certificate or your Google Account and link your existing foaf It works with all the services, rww.io http://rww.io, data.fm http://data.fm, my-profile, etc. in Chrome,

Re: WebID Frustration

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Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Kingsley Idehen
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Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Norman Gray
Hugh and Kingsley, hello. On 2013 Aug 6, at 14:27, Kingsley Idehen wrote: In reality though, for your particular user profile I would encourage you to simply manually add insert the relations required by the WebID+TLS protocol into your existing profile, after you've generated an X.509

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 6 August 2013 17:54, Norman Gray nor...@astro.gla.ac.uk wrote: Hugh and Kingsley, hello. On 2013 Aug 6, at 14:27, Kingsley Idehen wrote: In reality though, for your particular user profile I would encourage you to simply manually add insert the relations required by the WebID+TLS

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 8/6/13 11:54 AM, Norman Gray wrote: Hugh and Kingsley, hello. On 2013 Aug 6, at 14:27, Kingsley Idehen wrote: In reality though, for your particular user profile I would encourage you to simply manually add insert the relations required by the WebID+TLS protocol into your existing

Simple WebID, WebID+TLS Protocol, and ACL Dogfood Demo

2013-08-06 Thread Kingsley Idehen
All, Following the earlier posts about WebID (and by implication, WebID+TLS), here is a very simple demonstration of how we can put this technology to good use re., protected document authoring and editing. For this exercise I've performed the following steps: 1. Created a protected Turtle

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thank you all very much - all really helpful. I think it turned out I had succeeded, but the WebID login on the site wasn't working. Or something. :-) So then I thought I would try again, by clearing out things - I had at least two certs by now. :-) Typical errors I seemed to hit from pages

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Norman Gray
Hugh, hello. On 2013 Aug 6, at 21:17, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: It still seems to me that this is not a technology that is very useable - it really shouldn't have taken so many messages to help me! I was thinking of setting up for my users to use WebID on a little social

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Henry Story
On 6 Aug 2013, at 22:17, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: *Conclusion* So, as a mac user, the pages I found most useful were https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/posts/62pFBxAm7Ev to generate the cert and https://webid.turnguard.com/WebIDTestServer/debug to check I had it

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thanks Henry. Actually, I tried both of those before posting. On 6 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Henry Story henry.st...@bblfish.net wrote: On 6 Aug 2013, at 22:17, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: *Conclusion* So, as a mac user, the pages I found most useful were

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Was following the thread, decided to jump in :) So how do I create a certificate? I have a FOAF profile and want to add it there. As Hugh pointed out, http://webid.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/WebId/CreateCert doesn't work. Is it still maintained? Martynas graphityhq.com On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Glaser
Hello Norman, Yes, now I have it installed I like it for the same reasons that you do. And yes, there are very few people (I guess), who would want to do it by hand. But actually I didn't; what I wanted was a WebID that didn't create an account somewhere (most of the sites I found offer an

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Glaser
https://my-profile.eu/certgen On 6 Aug 2013, at 22:49, Martynas Jusevičius marty...@graphity.org wrote: Was following the thread, decided to jump in :) So how do I create a certificate? I have a FOAF profile and want to add it there. As Hugh pointed out,

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Norman Gray
Hugh, hello. On 2013 Aug 6, at 22:58, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: [...and quoting out of order...] I looked a quite a few sites before choosing where my OpenID would be. So did I, but OpenID allows for some indirection, so that the OpenID that I quote --

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Henry Story
On 6 Aug 2013, at 23:41, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Henry. Actually, I tried both of those before posting. On 6 Aug 2013, at 22:08, Henry Story henry.st...@bblfish.net wrote: On 6 Aug 2013, at 22:17, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: *Conclusion* So, as a

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 8/6/13 5:58 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Actually, this whole thing seems to me (I now realise) nothing to do with WedID per se. WebID is just a moniker for an HTTP URI that denotes an Agent. It's more compact that saying Personal HTTP URI or Agent HTTP URI etc.. In addition, a WebID can be

Re: WebID Frustration

2013-08-06 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 8/6/13 7:02 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On 08/06/2013 01:37 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Well, RWW.IO looked exciting, so I decided to start with it. And it seemed a good idea to have an account, so I decided I would finally create a WebID login - I know that lots of people think that this is