Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 2014-10-01 13:36, Mauro Dragoni wrote: Papers should not exceed fifteen (15) pages in length and must be formatted according to the guidelines for LNCS authors. Papers must be submitted in PDF (Adobe's Portable Document Format) format. As I understand it, there is a disconnect between the

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Fabien Gandon
Dear Saven, The scientific articles are presenting scientific achievements in a format that is suitable for human consumption. Documents in a portable format remain the best way to do that for a conference today. However: - all the metadata of the conference are published as linked data e.g.

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 2014-10-01 18:12, Fabien Gandon wrote: Dear Saven, Thank your for your response Fabien. The scientific articles are presenting scientific achievements in a format that is suitable for human consumption. Documents in a portable format remain the best way to do that for a conference

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 10/1/14 12:35 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On 2014-10-01 18:12, Fabien Gandon wrote: Dear Saven, Thank your for your response Fabien. The scientific articles are presenting scientific achievements in a format that is suitable for human consumption. Documents in a portable format remain

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Laura Dawson
What about EPUB, which is xHTML and has support for Schema.org markup? It also provides for fixed-layout. On 10/1/14, 12:55 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 10/1/14 12:35 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On 2014-10-01 18:12, Fabien Gandon wrote: Dear Saven, Thank your for your

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Bernadette Hyland
+1 to Sarven's proposal. We have to start 'at home' with improving publication process output. Quite frankly, if the experts in linked data don't lead by example and show the benefits, how / why will conference organizers publishers change how they do things. That said, we have to show

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Jean-Claude Moissinac
Hello To follow the proposal of Laura Dawson. I'm working on methods and tools to put and use semantic in ePub. I'm interested to offer support to help the conference organizers and the authors to produce a semantic ePub as proceedings of the conference. Best regards -- Jean-Claude Moissinac

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 10/1/14 1:10 PM, Laura Dawson wrote: What about EPUB, which is xHTML and has support for Schema.org markup? It also provides for fixed-layout. Laura, As long as it reflects what we are requesting of others, in regards to Linked Open Data publication, it's all good :-) Do you have a

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Laura Dawson
There is a WordPress based tool called Press Books that is nearly identical to the blogging platform but also spits out ePub, Kindle and PDF versions. So you write in HTML, and publish any way you want. It has schema.org support, though I haven’t used it. I published an old collection of short

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Laura Dawson
Kingsley, you can go here (http://idpf.org/epub) for info and specs. And you can go here (http://www.pressbooks.com) to access the tool I was talking about in my previous email. EPUB¹s intention is indeed to provide open, ³webby² publication. (Though not all vendors want that - and their rendering

Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 2014-10-01 19:10, Laura Dawson wrote: What about EPUB, which is xHTML and has support for Schema.org markup? It also provides for fixed-layout. IMO, this particular discussion is not what we should be focusing on. And, it almost always deters from the main topic. There are a number of

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Gannon Dick
I agree, Laura. If you are roaming overseas (in any direction) and a friend sends you a chunk of data which may not be accessible publically or wants to send you only Chapter 416 of 837 then it teaches publishers nothing but may keep ISP's in Champagne for years to come. Yes, London has free

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Laura Dawson
Apologies, Sarven. I was just trying to point out some options and resources for those who were interested. On 10/1/14, 2:42 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: On 2014-10-01 19:10, Laura Dawson wrote: What about EPUB, which is xHTML and has support for Schema.org markup? It also

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Gannon Dick
Not to pile on Sarven, said Gannon, piling on, but I recently tripped over the XSD validation tests I did a couple of years ago. They are XHTML 1.1 + RDFa all zipped up so you won't have to stitch the schema together (it is 20+ little files). If anyone wants it please contact me off-board.

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Luca Matteis
Dear Sarven, This stuff is really cool: http://linked-research.270a.info/ Couple of questions: How did you come up with such a close CSS/HTML template as the LCNS latex version? Did you hand code the CSS to make it look as close as possible or was it automated by some tool I'm not aware of?

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 2014-10-01 21:05, Luca Matteis wrote: Dear Sarven, This stuff is really cool: http://linked-research.270a.info/ Couple of questions: How did you come up with such a close CSS/HTML template as the LCNS latex version? Did you hand code the CSS to make it look as close as possible or was it

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 10/1/14 2:42 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: can't use them along with schema.org. I favour plain HTML+CSS+RDFa to get things going e.g.: https://github.com/csarven/linked-research What about: HTML+CSS+(RDFa | Microdata | JSON-LD | TURTLE) ? Basically, we have to get to: HTML+CSS+(Any RDF

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Luca Matteis
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: Let me ask you to take a step back for a second. Are you convinced that there are far more possibilities with LaTeX/PDF for data representation, presentation and interaction than HTML+CSS+JavaScript+RDFa+SVG+MathML.. ? Do

Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper

2014-10-01 Thread Pablo N. Mendes
It may help to preemptively address concerns here. Does anyone have a HTML+CSS(+RDFa) template that looks exactly like the LNCS-formatted PDFs? Can we show that papers using this template: - look consistent with each other (follow the LNCS typesetting instructions) - look the same as the PDF

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 10/1/14 3:26 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: On 2014-10-01 21:05, Luca Matteis wrote: Dear Sarven, This stuff is really cool: http://linked-research.270a.info/ Couple of questions: How did you come up with such a close CSS/HTML template as the LCNS latex version? Did you hand code the CSS to

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 10/1/14 3:55 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: But why is it backwards? We have different formats serving different purposes. Diversity is healthy. Simply because PDF is not in the Web stack it doesn't make it Web-unfriendly. The issue arises when Linked Open Data is packing into a PDF silo. The big

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Luca Matteis
I guess PDF is sort of the compiled version while we're talking about the source of the document (HTML). You can convert both Latex and HTML to PDF. So I guess perhaps what I'm saying is that Latex is a better tool than HTML for writing publications simply because it was built for that. So forget

Technical challenges (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 2014-10-01 22:32, Pablo N. Mendes wrote: It may help to preemptively address concerns here. Does anyone have a HTML+CSS(+RDFa) template that looks exactly like the LNCS-formatted PDFs? Can we show that papers using this template: - look consistent with each other (follow the LNCS typesetting

Re: Technical challenges (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Ali SH
Sarven, great work! We definitely need more initiatives like yours. It seems to me a big hindrance to this adoption is more sociologically than technological. A quick suggestion - in the current thread we have people saying HTML/RDFa -- LaTeX - why not the other way around? Having LaTeX --

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 2014-10-01 21:51, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 10/1/14 2:42 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: can't use them along with schema.org. I favour plain HTML+CSS+RDFa to get things going e.g.: https://github.com/csarven/linked-research What about: HTML+CSS+(RDFa | Microdata | JSON-LD | TURTLE) ?

Re: Technical challenges (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Hey all, is there any established and/or widely supported LaTeX XML schema? I have found several projects, but not sure how much they're used: - http://dlmf.nist.gov/LaTeXML/ - http://getfo.org/texml/ - http://www-sop.inria.fr/marelle/tralics/ If there would be an agreed XML schema, it would be

Re: Technical challenges (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Actually LaTeXML seems to do pretty much I what I was thinking about: http://dlmf.nist.gov/LaTeXML/manual/usage/usage.single.html#SS0.SSS0.P7 Could be packaged in a more user-friendly way though. On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Martynas Jusevičius marty...@graphity.org wrote: Hey all, is

Re: Formats and icing (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 10/1/14 5:36 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: I guess PDF is sort of the compiled version while we're talking about the source of the document (HTML). No, there is structured data locked (inaccessible) from the PDF. In HTML+(RDF based Structured Data Island Notation) you have loose coupling of

Re: Technical challenges (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

2014-10-01 Thread Pablo N. Mendes
I never claimed it was not social. But as it is often the case, it may be rooted in or (falsely) justified by technical misinformation. Sorry for having missed the discussions that addressed these concerns. Thanks for reiterating, because others may have missed them too. Perhaps we should go even