URLs in Data Working Draft

2013-07-11 Thread Jeni Tennison
://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/uddp/change-proposal-call.html [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jun/0039.html -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com/

Re: UK reference URIs

2012-07-03 Thread Jeni Tennison
in my opinion, because they fit really well in context of statistical data. If anyone has any insiders on this or would like to comment on design considerations going forward, that'd be great. -Sarven -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: looking for skos vocabularies

2012-05-17 Thread Jeni Tennison
in use? I'm starting to wonder...is people using skos out there? There are a few smallish ones in http://environment.data.gov.uk/sources/def/bathing-water-quality.ttl Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-30 Thread Jeni Tennison
equivalent information. If you have: U :describedby V . then you can turn it into: V :hasContentUri U . and it has the same meaning. What have I missed? Is it important that U is a string rather than a resource for example? Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Data Driven Discussions about httpRange-14, etc (was: Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14)

2012-03-30 Thread Jeni Tennison
Hi Tom, On 30 Mar 2012, at 17:22, Tom Heath wrote: On 27 March 2012 18:54, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: 2) hard data about the 303 redirect penalty, from a consumer and publisher side. Lots of claims get made about this but I've never seen hard evidence of the cost

Re: Thought: 207 Description Follows

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
solutions late this year. I think that's a key, because many users control very little of their server setup, and custom code is dangerous, but with the support of Debian the costs for hosters are marginal. Naively Yours, Kjetil -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Thought: 207 Description Follows

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
status codes (or add headers for that matter). Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
On 28 Mar 2012, at 14:46, Nathan wrote: Nathan wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: # Details In section 4.1, in place of the second paragraph and following list, substitute: There are three ways to locate a URI documentation link in an HTTP response: * using the Location: response

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
Nathan, On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:07, Nathan wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: Yes, that's correct. With no constraining Accept headers, it could alternatively return HTML with embedded RDFa with a link rel=describedby element, for example. Is that universally true? Suppose /uri identified

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: Nathan, On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:07, Nathan wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: Yes, that's correct. With no constraining Accept headers, it could alternatively return HTML with embedded

Re: Middle ground change proposal for httpRange-14

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
to identify People are still Wrong. So it gets a lot of the way there, just not quite all of it. Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: What would break? Re: httpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jeni Tennison
opinion, we need to recognise that people will do the convenient thing and (a) have a protocol that is flexible enough to cope when they do so (call this error recovery if you like) and (b) provide understandable routes from the convenient path to a more rigorous one. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jeni Tennison
Hi Tom, On 26 Mar 2012, at 17:13, Tom Heath wrote: On 26 March 2012 16:47, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Tom, On 26 Mar 2012, at 16:05, Tom Heath wrote: On 23 March 2012 15:35, Steve Harris steve.har...@garlik.com wrote: I'm sure many people are just deeply bored

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jeni Tennison
the proposal; the others are things they could do now. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

httpRange-14 Conformance

2012-03-27 Thread Jeni Tennison
. Cheers, Jeni [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/57guide.html -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-26 Thread Jeni Tennison
an information resource, but you haven't required that assumption to make your assertions about http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=2372108pageno=11, so I really don't see how that would affect anything that you're doing. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http

Re: Annotating IR of any relevance? (httpRange-14)

2012-03-26 Thread Jeni Tennison
by the fact that those who have time to answer often are the most prone to make rules as complicated as it needed and to accept them as such. But this is not the way the world goes. Or that anything that's meant to reach the world as large can be. Gio -- Jeni Tennison http

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-26 Thread Jeni Tennison
going to come to a consensus. I know everyone's tired of this discussion, but I don't think the TAG is going to do this exercise again, so this really is the time to contribute, and preferably in a constructive manner, recognising the larger aim. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
agree we shouldn't blame publishers who conflate IRs and NIRs. That is not what happens at the moment. Therefore we need to change something. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
Roberts Andy Seaborne John Sheridan Ben O'Steen Damian Steer Thomas Steiner Ed Summers Jeni Tennison Davy Van Deursen and with thanks to other members of the LOD mailing list who helped identify areas that required clarification. The original version is at [2]. [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
/www-tag/2012Mar/0006.html [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Mar/0085.html [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/02-agenda On 22 Mar 2012, at 20:21, Jeni Tennison wrote: Hi there, Hopefully you're all aware that there's a Call for Change Proposals [1] to amend the TAG's

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
Michael, On 25 Mar 2012, at 11:03, Michael Brunnbauer wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:13:09AM +0100, Jeni Tennison wrote: I agree we shouldn't blame publishers who conflate IRs and NIRs. That is not what happens at the moment. Therefore we need to change something. Do you think semantic

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
Noah, On 25 Mar 2012, at 19:39, Noah Mendelsohn wrote: (commenting now as a technical contributor to the TAG) On 3/25/2012 5:47 AM, Jeni Tennison wrote: a 200 response to a probe URI no longer by itself implies that the probe URI identifies an information resource or that the response

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
far from what RFC 2616 says about 303. YMMV. Noah [1] http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.1/rfc2616bis/draft-lafon-rfc2616bis-03.html#status.303 [2] http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.1/rfc2616bis/draft-lafon-rfc2616bis-04.html#status.303 -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jeni Tennison
James, On 24 Mar 2012, at 00:38, James Leigh wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 21:42 +, Jeni Tennison wrote: The big thing that *is* different under this proposal is that if you have an HTML+RDFa 1.1 document like: !DOCTYPE html html head base href=http://example.org/me/ link rel

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jeni Tennison
to referring to legislation items using the URIs that we'd designed to be used to refer to legislation items. Cheers, Jeni [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/uddp/#carriage -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jeni Tennison
On 24 Mar 2012, at 13:22, Jonathan A Rees wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Can you provide a handful of these Doing It Wrong URIs please from various sites? I think it would really be helpful to have them on hand during discussions. OK

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jeni Tennison
Thanks James, I've substituted that text in. Jeni On 24 Mar 2012, at 12:38, James Leigh wrote: On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 08:11 +, Jeni Tennison wrote: Can I just cast that into the language used by the rest of the proposal? What about: when documentation is served with a 200

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jeni Tennison
On 24 Mar 2012, at 13:57, Jonathan A Rees wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Where well-behaved sites will have to make a decision is whether to continue to use a 303 or switch to using a 200 and including a 'describedby' relationship

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jeni Tennison
Michael, On 24 Mar 2012, at 21:59, Michael Brunnbauer wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 09:04:14PM +, Jeni Tennison wrote: I suspect that consumers won't want to make any assumptions and will just hoover up all the data that they can from wherever they can. I suspect that publishers

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jeni Tennison
the problem you're describing sufficiently to be able to comment. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jeni Tennison
do you think it says otherwise? I'd be glad to clarify it. Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jeni Tennison
James, On 23 Mar 2012, at 20:24, James Leigh wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:49 +, Jeni Tennison wrote: On 23 Mar 2012, at 19:23, James Leigh wrote: I am not saying everyone should care to distinguish them (real data will always be dirty), but using the same identifier for both the person

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jeni Tennison
On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:42, Jonathan A Rees wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: While there are instances of linked data websites using 303 redirections, there are also many examples of people making statements about URIs (particularly using

Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-22 Thread Jeni Tennison
Sauermann and Richard Cyganiak. Cool URIs for the Semantic Web. W3C Interest Group Note, 03 December 2008. (See http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-cooluris-20081203/.) -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: UK Govt RDF Data Sets

2010-04-16 Thread Jeni Tennison
Ian said, we are now in a purdah period during which it's difficult for us to release anything new, but you can expect progress during the second week of May and on into the future. Cheers, Jeni -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2010-01-07 Thread Jeni Tennison
/etc/examples/lcsh/sh95000541-compact.json [2]: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/ -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-13 Thread Jeni Tennison
://www.mkbergman.com/845/a-most-un-common-way-to-author-datasets/ Thanks! Take care, Fred -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

APIs and Lists

2009-12-13 Thread Jeni Tennison
#Labelled_Concise_Bounded_Description -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com

Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-12 Thread Jeni Tennison
of this is necessary are fine too, but I'll warn you in advance that I'm unlikely to be convinced ;) Thanks, Jeni [1]: http://n2.talis.com/wiki/RDF_JSON_Specification [2]: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-json-res/ [3]: http://code.google.com/p/ubiquity-rdfa/wiki/Rdfj -- Jeni Tennison http

Re: Linked Data for ICD? OPCS-4?

2009-10-04 Thread Jeni Tennison
://sw.joanneum.at/scovo/schema.html -- Jeni Tennison http://www.jenitennison.com