Re: ORCID no longer relevant?

2013-03-12 Thread Jonathan A Rees
Remember it took a while for DOIs to become linked-data-friendly. I suspect ORCID has limited staff that is swamped with work and LD is not a priority for them. I say give them a year or two to get up to speed and in the meantime continue to submit bug reports. It's not clear to me whether they

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-31 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de wrote: hi all The document at http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/uddp-20120229/ uses the term X (a sequence of octets + media type) is a representation of Y (an entity). I have a question: Can two different entities have

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-30 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:20 PM, David Booth da...@dbooth.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 20:51 -0400, Jonathan A Rees wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: [ . . . ] But then we would also have to define what 'content' and 'description' meant. I

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-30 Thread Jonathan A Rees
, such as what if an agent can't parse the particular flavor of RDF that's in use, but before we get into that I want to see if you understand what I'm suggesting. Jonathan On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Jonathan, On 30 Mar 2012, at 01:51, Jonathan A Rees

Re: Thought: 207 Description Follows

2012-03-28 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Kjetil Kjernsmo kje...@kjernsmo.net wrote: Hi all! I hope it is OK that I just burst in here without having followed the discussion. Admittedly, I haven't been terribly interested, I've always enjoyed the 303 dance, I wrote the code and it was easy, and the

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-28 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Norman Gray nor...@astro.gla.ac.uk wrote: Greetings. [This is a late response, because I dithered about sending it, because this whole thing seems simple enough that I've got to be missing stuff] On 2012 Mar 27, at 14:02, Jonathan A Rees wrote: On Tue

Re: Change Proposal 25 for HttpRange-14

2012-03-28 Thread Jonathan A Rees
As a friendly amendment, can I suggest you replace is a current representation of the information resource identified by W with is content of the resource identified by W or however you want to express this. You can try to define content, or decide that it doesn't need to be defined, or refer

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de wrote: Hello Tim, On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 04:59:42PM -0400, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: 12) Still people say well, to know whether I use 200 or 303 I need to know if this sucker is an IR or NIR when instead they should be

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 3/27/12 9:02 AM, Jonathan A Rees wrote: A prime example is any DOI, e.g. http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000462 (try doing conneg for RDF). I don't always have to seek or need RDF. I just need

Re: Document Action: 'The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Status Code 308 (Permanent Redirect)' to Experimental RFC (draft-reschke-http-status-308-07.txt)

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, James Leigh ja...@3roundstones.com wrote: Could this 308 (Permanent Redirect) give us a way to cache a probe URI's definition document location? An issue people have with httpRange-14 is that 303 redirects can't be cached. If we could agree to use a 308

Re: Document Action: 'The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Status Code 308 (Permanent Redirect)' to Experimental RFC (draft-reschke-http-status-308-07.txt)

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
Well foo, I can't find it in the errata list, I take that back. But it is fixed in HTTPbis. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-19#section-7.3.4 Jonathan On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan A Rees r...@mumble.net wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, James Leigh

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de wrote: Hello Jonathan, so let the question be did I GET what the URI denotes and let httprange14 be 200 - yes, 303 - no. Basically yes, although you have to be careful preserve the generic/specific (or

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Leigh Dodds le...@ldodds.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan A Rees r...@mumble.net wrote: ... There is a difference, since what is described could be an IR that does not have the description as content. A prime example is any DOI, e.g

Re: NIR SIDETRACK Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-27 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Mike Bergman m...@mkbergman.com wrote: Hi Jonathan, On 3/27/2012 3:27 PM, Jonathan A Rees wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Leigh Doddsle...@ldodds.com  wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan A Reesr...@mumble.net  wrote

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Noah Mendelsohn n...@arcanedomain.com wrote: On 3/25/2012 3:29 PM, Jeni Tennison wrote: I assume it's the most common case, but my reading of 303 is that it's intentionally pretty vague. I read it as: you might find something useful over here -- feel free to

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Can you provide a handful of these Doing It Wrong URIs please from various sites? I think it would really be helpful to have them on hand during discussions. OK. These picked up from dumps made available by

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-24 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Where well-behaved sites will have to make a decision is whether to continue to use a 303 or switch to using a 200 and including a 'describedby' relationship. For example, we at legislation.gov.uk might be seriously

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote:  * existing applications that assume that a 200 response is only given for an information resource may make false inferences about what a probe URI identifies (but this happens already, as people already publish data

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jonathan A Rees
2012/3/23 Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com: I dont think, even the wildest optimist, could have predicted the success of the current architecture (both pre and post HR14). The votes of confidence are interesting to me, as I have not been hearing them previously. It does appear we have a

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jonathan A Rees
This looks like infinite regress to me. You have U describedby V. You want to find the description V so that you can figure out what U means. So you need to know what content V refers to, so that you can obtain and read it. According to the proposal, to do this, you dereference V, and need to

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Tim Berners-Lee ti...@w3.org wrote: On 2012-03 -22, at 16:21, Jeni Tennison wrote: [...] Second, a 200 response to a probe URI no longer implies that the probe URI identifies an information resource; instead, this can only be inferred if the probe URI is

Re: Change Proposal for HttpRange-14

2012-03-23 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: While there are instances of linked data websites using 303 redirections, there are also many examples of people making statements about URIs (particularly using HTML link relations, RDFa, microdata, and

Fwd: Call for proposals to amend the httpRange-14 resolution

2012-02-29 Thread Jonathan A Rees
Sorry for the cross-posting. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jonathan A Rees r...@mumble.net Date: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM Subject: Call for proposals to amend the httpRange-14 resolution To: www-...@w3.org Concerns regarding the efficiency of 303 redirects and the difficulty