Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-07-04 Thread Jens Lehmann
Dear Melvin, Am 22.06.2012 10:10, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: Game feedback. In general it's a great game. Nice look. Nice sounds. Nice animations. Angry peas style. Some important things: [...] In general : making good games is HARD, but can be hugely rewarding. Linked data is

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-07-02 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 19 June 2012 21:04, Jens Lehmann lehm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.dewrote: Dear all, most of you will agree that links are an important element of the Web of Data. There exist a number of tools, such as LIMES [1] or SILK [2], which are able to create a high number of such links by using

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-24 Thread Knuth, Magnus
Hello all, I enjoyed your fruitful discussion about the application of GWAPs for Linked Data tasks and also wanted to invite you to try our latest creation WhoKnows?Movies! [1]. Basically, you have to answer multiple choice questions about movies originating from Freebase Data. It would be

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-24 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/22/12 6:12 AM, Knuth, Magnus wrote: Hello all, I enjoyed your fruitful discussion about the application of GWAPs for Linked Data tasks and also wanted to invite you to try our latest creation WhoKnows?Movies! [1]. Basically, you have to answer multiple choice questions about movies

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-22 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 19 June 2012 21:04, Jens Lehmann lehm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.dewrote: Dear all, most of you will agree that links are an important element of the Web of Data. There exist a number of tools, such as LIMES [1] or SILK [2], which are able to create a high number of such links by using

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-22 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/22/12 7:40 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: On 22 June 2012 13:29, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/22/12 4:10 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: In general : making good games is HARD, but can be hugely rewarding. Linked data is

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-21 Thread Elena Simperl
...@fi.upm.es Asunto: Re: Can we create better links by playing games? Nuevo envío de: public-lod@w3.org mailto:public-lod@w3.org Fecha de nuevo envío: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:50:10 + Am 20.06.2012 17:10, schrieb Gannon Dick: I think the games are very helpful for geo classification. Meta data links

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-21 Thread Kingsley Idehen
...@ldodds.com, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com, public-lod@w3.org mailto:public-lod@w3.org public-lod@w3.org mailto:public-lod@w3.org, Oscar Corcho ocor...@fi.upm.es mailto:ocor...@fi.upm.es Asunto: Re: Can we create better links by playing games? Nuevo envío

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 19 June 2012 21:23, Martin Hepp martin.h...@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: Dear Jens: I wonder how this approach is different to the one described in our 2008 paper [1], available from http://www.heppnetz.de/files/gwap-semweb-ieee-is.pdf Must watch, Jesse Schell's talk on Games for Change

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008. Do the games at: http://ontogame.sti2.at/games/, still work? The more data quality oriented games the better re. LOD and the Semantic Web

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008. Do the games at: http://ontogame.sti2.at/games/**, still work? The

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Leigh Dodds
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60,

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Irene Celino
Hi Kingsley, we are also working on games for data interlinking (I sent a mail before, but it was erroneously addressed to Jens only). You could have a look to UrbanMatch [1] our location-based game for data interlinking: there's a paper we presented at last LDOW [2] and, if you want to know

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 June 2012 15:46, Leigh Dodds le...@ldodds.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Gannon Dick
To: Leigh Dodds le...@ldodds.com Cc: Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com; public-lod@w3.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Can we create better links by playing games? On 20 June 2012 15:46, Leigh Dodds le...@ldodds.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Melvin

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Elena Simperl
Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Vol. 23, No.

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 11:44 AM, Elena Simperl wrote: Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.dewrote: Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 11:52 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de mailto:elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de wrote: Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Barry Norton
On 20/06/2012 16:55, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 6/20/12 11:52 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: If you get the high score it should be part of linked data to your identity (eg like a badge). This makes the game 100 times more worthwhile to play! Yes! Your WebID should be your Identity emblem /

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Hugh Glaser
(Sorry to repeat myself :-) ) If you want a way of collecting and publishing coref data (or indeed any pair data), then I would be happy to provide a http://sameas.org/store/games or whatever, where you could even post pairs as they happen. Tell me the name you want, a username and password for

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Barry Norton
How do you encode provenance, Hugh? I don't see any in the Web UI. Barry On 20/06/2012 17:03, Hugh Glaser wrote: (Sorry to repeat myself :-) ) If you want a way of collecting and publishing coref data (or indeed any pair data), then I would be happy to provide a

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 11:56 AM, Barry Norton wrote: On 20/06/2012 16:52, Melvin Carvalho wrote: On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de mailto:elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de wrote: Most of the OntoGame games still work, and a more comprehensive list of

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Hugh Glaser
That's for me to know and you to guess :-) (Sorry, bad taste). The answer is I don't, at least not in this version of the software. I can actually know the source of every pair, but it is a real challenge to be able to present the inferred provenance of all the bundles. And when we started all

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Hugh Glaser
Yes, I could do. But it would be a barrier, certainly at the moment. It is much easier for someone to send me a username and password to put into their curl, than for to start with, well what you need to do first is get a WebID. Now let me tell you what a WebID is… Simple access is everything.

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Gannon Dick
: Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com To: public-lod@w3.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Can we create better links by playing games? On 6/20/12 11:56 AM, Barry Norton wrote: On 20/06/2012 16:52, Melvin Carvalho wrote: On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl elena.simp

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 12:38 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Yes, I could do. But it would be a barrier, certainly at the moment. It is much easier for someone to send me a username and password to put into their curl, than for to start with, well what you need to do first is get a WebID. Now let me tell you what

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
. *From:* Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com *To:* public-lod@w3.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:14 AM *Subject:* Re: Can we create better links by playing games? On 6/20/12 11:56 AM, Barry Norton wrote: On 20/06/2012 16:52, Melvin Carvalho wrote: On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Hugh Glaser
Hi Kingsley, I'm all in favour of having good authentication processes, but I have to say I smiled at your suggestion that WebID is not complex compared with HTTP Auth.. Anyone can find endless examples of how to use HTTP Authentication to access things like sameAs.org. Any Google search will

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 June 2012 19:13, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: Hi Kingsley, I'm all in favour of having good authentication processes, but I have to say I smiled at your suggestion that WebID is not complex compared with HTTP Auth.. Anyone can find endless examples of how to use HTTP

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Elena Simperl
Am 20.06.2012 17:52, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de mailto:elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de wrote: Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 4:59 PM, Elena Simperl wrote: Am 20.06.2012 17:52, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 17:44, Elena Simperl elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de mailto:elena.simp...@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de wrote: Am 20.06.2012 15:19, schrieb Melvin Carvalho: On 20 June 2012 15:11,

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Martin Hepp
I can only add to Elena's statement - in fact, it is rather the exception than the rule that a Semantic Web task can be turned into a good game that attracts large, non-nerd audiences. Over the years since our first experiments in 2007, I have come to the conclusion that it is way more

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Oscar Corcho
: Can we create better links by playing games? Nuevo envío de: public-lod@w3.org Fecha de nuevo envío: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:50:10 + Am 20.06.2012 17:10, schrieb Gannon Dick: I think the games are very helpful for geo classification. Meta data links are a monte carlo integration

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 21 June 2012 00:04, Martin Hepp martin.h...@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: I can only add to Elena's statement - in fact, it is rather the exception than the rule that a Semantic Web task can be turned into a good game that attracts large, non-nerd audiences. Over the years since our first

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 6:04 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: I can only add to Elena's statement - in fact, it is rather the exception than the rule that a Semantic Web task can be turned into a good game that attracts large, non-nerd audiences. I beg to differ. We all love quizzes. Just have to align them to

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Martin Hepp
Hi Kingsley: I am deeply convinced that GWAPs will remain an esoteric niche in Semantic Technology and the enthusiasm in the community for this is rather a sign for the strange mind setting. There are so many boring yet important tasks to be tackled, why do we always hop on the next buzzword

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/20/12 6:40 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: Hi Kingsley: I am deeply convinced that GWAPs will remain an esoteric niche in Semantic Technology and the enthusiasm in the community for this is rather a sign for the strange mind setting. There are so many boring yet important tasks to be tackled, why

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-20 Thread Gannon Dick
/ From: Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com To: public-lod@w3.org Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Can we create better links by playing games? On 6/20/12 6:40 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: Hi Kingsley: I am deeply convinced that GWAPs will remain an esoteric niche

Re: Can we create better links by playing games?

2012-06-19 Thread Martin Hepp
Dear Jens: I wonder how this approach is different to the one described in our 2008 paper [1], available from http://www.heppnetz.de/files/gwap-semweb-ieee-is.pdf Martin [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE Intelligent Systems, Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008. On