Re: HTTP response status code 303 See Other - Linked Data best practice

2013-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/13 8:56 AM, Marco Neumann wrote: do you still use HTTP response status code 303 See Other in your linked data publishing process? I experience some push back from customers for the design pattern. I'd like to explore alternatives. Marco Please see the discussion at: http://lists.w3

Re: HTTP response status code 303 See Other - Linked Data best practice

2013-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
:56 AM, Marco Neumann wrote: do you still use HTTP response status code 303 See Other in your linked data publishing process? I experience some push back from customers for the design pattern. I'd like to explore alternatives. Marco Please see the discussion at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 28 March 2012 03:30, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org wrote: On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to why this is difficult to explain. Especially since I also have difficulties explaining the benefits of linked data. However, normally

RE: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread john.nj.davies
...@talis.com; public-lod community Subject: See Other On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to why this is difficult to explain. Especially since I also have difficulties explaining the benefits of linked data. However, normally the road block I hit

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Hugh Glaser
Executive summary: TAG, please don't come back with something that does not allow, or even encourage, sites like Facebook to offer RDF back in return for: curl -L -H Accept:application/rdf+xml https://www.facebook.com/hugh.glaser Challenge: Try telling me what to put in sameAs.org for the LD

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 6:44 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Executive summary: TAG, please don't come back with something that does not allow, or even encourage, sites like Facebook to offer RDF back in return for: curl -L -H Accept:application/rdf+xml https://www.facebook.com/hugh.glaser Challenge: Try telling me

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread David Wood
Hi Dan, On Mar 27, 2012, at 21:30, Dan Brickley wrote: On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to why this is difficult to explain. Especially since I also have difficulties explaining the benefits of linked data. However, normally the road

Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Hugh Glaser
I can't find any apps (other than mine) that actually use this. Searching: Sindice: http://sindice.com/search?q=http://graph.facebook.com 40 (forty) results Bing: http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22http://graph.facebook.com/%22 8400 results I don't think this activity has actually set the world

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Dan Brickley
On 28 March 2012 14:24, David Wood da...@3roundstones.com wrote: Hi Dan, On Mar 27, 2012, at 21:30, Dan Brickley wrote: On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to why this is difficult to explain.  Especially since I also have difficulties

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 9:24 AM, David Wood wrote: [data stick changes hands] Alice: Cool! And .. yup it's wellformed XML, and here see I parsed it with a real RDF parser (made by Dave Beckett who worked on the last W3C spec for this stuff, beats me actually checking it myself) and it didn't

Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 9:28 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote: I can't find any apps (other than mine) that actually use this. Searching: Sindice: http://sindice.com/search?q=http://graph.facebook.com 40 (forty) results Bing: http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22http://graph.facebook.com/%22 8400 results I don't think

Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Dan Brickley
On 28 March 2012 14:28, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: I can't find any apps (other than mine) that actually use this. Searching: Sindice: http://sindice.com/search?q=http://graph.facebook.com 40 (forty) results Bing: http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22http://graph.facebook.com/%22

Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 10:02 AM, Dan Brickley wrote: Even with FOAF where we got pretty substantial social graph datasets (livejournal, my opera etc) in public since 2004 or so, ... frankly very few managed to find interesting uses of that huge bulk of data. And not because it was in rdf/xml or because

Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 11:05 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: FOAF is very useful. Facebook simply accelerates the march to what I describe above. In addition, privacy, acls etc.. are key, and WebID will fit into all of this in a natural and constructive way, modulo and format war style distractions :-) FOAF

Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 28 March 2012 15:28, Hugh Glaser h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote: I can't find any apps (other than mine) that actually use this. Searching: Sindice: http://sindice.com/search?q=http://graph.facebook.com 40 (forty) results Bing: http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22http://graph.facebook.com/%22

{Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thanks Melvin, I appreciate the trouble you took to write the blog, and it describes an interesting thing. But I think it doesn't really really show much that would excite a typical user of Facebook (yet?). By the way, I do appreciate the benefits of Linked Data. Now that Dam (sic*) Brickley

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread David Wood
Hi Dan, On Mar 28, 2012, at 09:36, Dan Brickley wrote: On 28 March 2012 14:24, David Wood da...@3roundstones.com wrote: Hi Dan, On Mar 27, 2012, at 21:30, Dan Brickley wrote: On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to why this is

Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 12:10 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Now that Dam (sic*) Brickley has told me his Facebook ID, and I sameAs'ed it to one of his others, such as his foaf, RKBExplorer can happily tell you all about the Facebook person:

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thanks Kingsley. On 28 Mar 2012, at 17:43, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 3/28/12 12:10 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Now that Dam (sic*) Brickley has told me his Facebook ID, and I sameAs'ed it to one of his others, such as his foaf, RKBExplorer can happily tell you all about the Facebook person:

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 1:29 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Thanks Kingsley. On 28 Mar 2012, at 17:43, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 3/28/12 12:10 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Now that Dam (sic*) Brickley has told me his Facebook ID, and I sameAs'ed it to one of his others, such as his foaf, RKBExplorer can happily tell

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Jesse Weaver
a 303 which redirects to a document about the thing the URI represents. Developer: 303? What is that? Proponent: See Other. Developer: Never heard of that. I don't want to have to create another service just to 303 redirect to already-available data. Seems superfluous. Is there any other

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Hugh Glaser
: There is an alternative. You can use a URI without a fragment, but then doing an HTTP GET on the URI must return a 303 which redirects to a document about the thing the URI represents. Developer: 303? What is that? Proponent: See Other. Developer: Never heard of that. I don't want to have to create

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 1:29 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Neither Ian or I have touched that code in 3 or 4 years, so I will need to dig into it. But I don't know what you are asking for. Do I need to add something to the fresnel generation (the Details pane) such what produces

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Hugh Glaser
Ah, thanks Kingsley, I think I am beginning to get it. The intention is that the text link takes you to explore this entity in whatever explorer it is embedded. So http://www.dotac.info/explorer/ or other things such as the iPhone app also use this - hence the fragment. In fact the Detail web

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 6:07 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Ah, thanks Kingsley, I think I am beginning to get it. The intention is that the text link takes you to explore this entity in whatever explorer it is embedded. So http://www.dotac.info/explorer/ or other things such as the iPhone app also use this -

Re: See Other

2012-03-28 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
On 2012-03 -28, at 21:25, Jesse Weaver wrote: On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote: Executive summary: TAG, please don't come back with something that does not allow, or even encourage, sites like Facebook to offer RDF back in return for: curl -L -H Accept:application/rdf+xml

See Other

2012-03-27 Thread Dan Brickley
On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to why this is difficult to explain.  Especially since I also have difficulties explaining the benefits of linked data.  However, normally the road block I hit is explaining why URIs are important. Alice:

Re: See Other

2012-03-27 Thread トーレ エリクソン
Dan, Excellent read! When will you finish the book? I'm dying to know whether Alice and Bob will put up their thesaurus in the end. Tore ___ Tore Eriksson [tore.eriksson at po.rd.taisho.co.jp]

Re: What triple does an HTTP see Other imply?

2011-01-14 Thread Christopher Gutteridge
Sorry, not 301, I meant 303. Christopher Gutteridge wrote: (related to seeAlso discussion) If I resolve a URI /foo and it gives a 301 seeOther to /bar then I should be able to infer a triple from that, I think? At the very least, /foo rdfs:seeAlso /bar . Resolvable URIs are a cool hack, but

Re: What triple does an HTTP see Other imply?

2011-01-14 Thread Herbert van de Sompel
Chris, I can't answer this question in a general sense, but what you suggest is explicitly covered in OAI-ORE [1], where there is an equivalence between the HTTP 303 redirect from an ORE Aggregation to a describing ORE ResourceMap [2] and the ore:isDescribedBy relationship between these two

What triple does an HTTP see Other imply?

2011-01-13 Thread Christopher Gutteridge
(related to seeAlso discussion) If I resolve a URI /foo and it gives a 301 seeOther to /bar then I should be able to infer a triple from that, I think? At the very least, /foo rdfs:seeAlso /bar . Resolvable URIs are a cool hack, but I think the system would make more sense if they were an