Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11/13/15 11:30 AM, Michael Brunnbauer wrote: > hi all, > > correct me if I am wrong: > > -Google CSE > -cannot be queried programmatically without violating the Google TOS I don't know about that. As per my demonstrations, you can construct URLs for directly accessing HTML docs that are

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

ben.verbo...@ugent.be>; public-lod@w3.org; semantic-...@w3.org Subject: Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web? hi all, correct me if I am wrong: -Google CSE -cannot be queried programmatically without violating the Google TOS -will only accept a disjunctive list of schema.org classes as

RE: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

At the equator the Sun God works half-days. Fine example for the little folk, that. Plus another. On Mon, 11/16/15, john.nj.dav...@bt.com <john.nj.dav...@bt.com> wrote: Subject: RE: What Happened to the Semantic Web? To: janow...@ucsb.edu

RE: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

rborgh <ruben.verbo...@ugent.be>; public-lod@w3.org; semantic-...@w3.org Subject: Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web? hi all, correct me if I am wrong: -Google CSE -cannot be queried programmatically without violating the Google TOS -will only accept a disjunctive list of schema

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

hi all, correct me if I am wrong: -Google CSE -cannot be queried programmatically without violating the Google TOS -will only accept a disjunctive list of schema.org classes as restriction -will only find pages mentioning things, not things -Google products generally will not recognize

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

> > All, > > I think I inadvertently forgot to share this blog post [1] with this > community. > > Links: > > [1] > http://kidehen.blogspot.cz/2015/09/what-happened-to-semantic-web.html -- > What Happened to the Semantic Web? > [2] https://plus.google.com/+Kin

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

​Hi Melvin,​ On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: ​Today we are nowhere near this vision. In fact, >> ​​ >> we may be further removed from it today than we were in 2001. If you >> look at the last ISWC there was particularly little work on (Web)

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

​Hi Martynas,​ On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Martynas Jusevičius wrote: > could you elaborate on the agent calculus bit? ​This is something I have studied for the last year or so. There is very little prior work within the SW field, alas. "SW Reasoning by Swarm

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11/12/15 6:45 AM, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:27:10PM -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >>> > > To me, The Semantic Web is like Google, but then run on my machine. >> > >> > To me its just a Web of Data [...] > Ruben says "The Semantic Web" and Kingsley answers

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

​Hi Krzysztof,​ On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Krzysztof Janowicz wrote: > I find it difficult to see why centralization will not be the end game for > the SW as it has been for so many other aspects of computing (search, > email, social networking, even simple things like

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Hi, On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:27:10PM -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > > To me, The Semantic Web is like Google, but then run on my machine. > > To me its just a Web of Data [...] Ruben says "The Semantic Web" and Kingsley answers "just a Web of Data". In my tutorial "introduction to the

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 07:51, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > >> On 11/12/15 6:45 AM, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:27:10PM -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > > To me, The Semantic Web is like Google, but then run on my machine. >>> > >>> >

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 12 November 2015 at 12:45, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:27:10PM -0500, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > > > To me, The Semantic Web is like Google, but then run on my machine. > > > > To me its just a Web of Data [...] > > Ruben says "The

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Really I don't see how much better the search results on the right ("Google CSE") are then the ones on the left. It is a little like this: http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_16vs8bit_NeilYoung.php Google and Bing are stuck with P@1 at %70 or so because they don't always know the intent of the

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11/12/15 11:18 AM, Paul Houle wrote: > Really I don't see how much better the search results on the right > ("Google CSE") are then the ones on the left. It is a little like this: > > http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_16vs8bit_NeilYoung.php > > Google and Bing are stuck with P@1 at %70 or

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Hi Kingsley, While your main points are correct, I disagree with your conclusion. I guess everything depends on what you mean with "The Semantic Web", but if I read the article with that title, we're arguably _not_ there. In that sense, I find it strange you use Google as an example of success.

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11 November 2015 at 18:25, Ruben Verborgh wrote: > Hi Kingsley, > > While your main points are correct, I disagree with your conclusion. > I guess everything depends on what you mean with "The Semantic Web", > but if I read the article with that title, we're arguably

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Hi All, Melvin had a very good point about the vector *types*. Some of the types are not so benign in implementation [1]. When the meta data sits atop a firewall as XML, it is shared, and the DOM is transferred intact. With XHTML this means access unbalanced access to the name space

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Hi Ruben, all, For me, the Semantic Web vision has always been about clients. It's a democratic principle of publishing and consuming data: everyone can say anything about anything, but everyone should also be able to consume that data. You are making an interesting point here that also

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

. https://github.com/solid/solid-spec I agree this technology has now "arrived" without us noticing it. Im sure it's here to stay, but it's up to us what kind of market share it will gain. > > Links: > > [1] > http://kidehen.blogspot.cz/2015/09/what-happened-to-semantic-w

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

> On 11 Nov 2015, at 14:55, Melvin Carvalho wrote: > > > > On 11 November 2015 at 15:17, Kingsley Idehen > wrote: > All, > > I think I inadvertently forgot to share this blog post [1] with this > community. >

What Happened to the Semantic Web?

All, I think I inadvertently forgot to share this blog post [1] with this community. Links: [1] http://kidehen.blogspot.cz/2015/09/what-happened-to-semantic-web.html -- What Happened to the Semantic Web? [2] https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/posts/8aMYzBN2FjL -- End of RDF Document Format

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11/11/15 5:56 PM, Wouter Beek wrote: > ​Hi Ruben, Kingsley, others, > ​ > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Ruben Verborgh > > wrote: > > Of course—but the emphasis in the community has mostly been on > servers, > > ​ The emphasis

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11/11/15 3:49 PM, Ruben Verborgh wrote: > Hi Kingsley, > > Some valid points. Two quick remarks: > >>> For me, the Semantic Web vision has always been about clients. >> I think the "Semantic Web" has always been about "The Web" (clients and >> servers) :) > Of course—but the emphasis in the

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11 November 2015 at 23:56, Wouter Beek wrote: > ​Hi Ruben, Kingsley, others, > ​ > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Ruben Verborgh > wrote: > >> Of course—but the emphasis in the community has mostly been on servers, >> > ​The emphasis has been on

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On Wed, 11/11/15, Wouter Beek wrote: I find it difficult to see why centralization will not be the end game for the SW as it has been for so many other aspects of computing (search, email, social networking, even simple things like

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On Wed, 11/11/15, Ruben Verborgh <ruben.verbo...@ugent.be> wrote: Subject: Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web? To: "Kingsley Idehen" <kide...@openlinksw.com> Cc: public-lod@w3.org, "semantic-...@w3.org" <se

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Excellent response, Kingsley! On 11/11/2015 6:37 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 11/11/15 3:49 PM, Ruben Verborgh wrote: Hi Kingsley, Some valid points. Two quick remarks: For me, the Semantic Web vision has always been about clients. I think the "Semantic Web" has always been about "The

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

On 11/11/15 12:25 PM, Ruben Verborgh wrote: > Hi Kingsley, > > While your main points are correct, I disagree with your conclusion. > I guess everything depends on what you mean with "The Semantic Web", > but if I read the article with that title, we're arguably _not_ there. > > In that sense, I

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Hi Kingsley, Some valid points. Two quick remarks: >> For me, the Semantic Web vision has always been about clients. > > I think the "Semantic Web" has always been about "The Web" (clients and > servers) :) Of course—but the emphasis in the community has mostly been on servers, whereas the

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

Wouter, could you elaborate on the agent calculus bit? Martynas graphityhq.com On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Wouter Beek wrote: > Hi Ruben, Kingsley, others, > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Ruben Verborgh > wrote: >> >> Of course—but the

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

​Hi Ruben, Kingsley, others, ​ On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Ruben Verborgh wrote: > Of course—but the emphasis in the community has mostly been on servers, > ​The emphasis has been on servers and, as of late, on Web Services. ​ > whereas the SemWeb vision started

Re: What Happened to the Semantic Web?

I find it difficult to see why centralization will not be the end game for the SW as it has been for so many other aspects of computing (search, email, social networking, even simple things like text chat). I am not sure what you mean. The Web is decentralized and email is decentralized as