I haven’t dropped the thread, but I’d like to up-level a little:
- I think we might have different models for how documents typically get
produced, and this difference in models results in different perspectives
on what constitutes “easy” and “hard”.
We should compare typical document
On 2015-01-30 16:48, Larry Masinter wrote:
There are a number of issues
and shortcomings with the PDF approach which in the end will not play
well with the Web is intended to be, nor how it functions.
I think I have familiarity with what the Web is intended to
be, and how it functions, and I
((sorry, this sat in my drafts box, incomplete, and out of sequence now))
In reply to Sarven Capadisli's email of 2015-01-19 12:20:
First off, I totally acknowledge your interest to improve the state of
things for PDF.
thanks
I'm welcome to be proven wrong, but for the big picture, I don't
Dear all, we are organising Sepublica 2015; this workshop is precisely
about standards, metadata and semantic web improving scholarly
communication. please take a look at http://sepublica.info/, also, take a
look at the call for submissions.
SePublica 2015: Do show, do not tell!
Hello Paul,
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:21:32AM -0500, Paul Houle wrote:
I don't think that is true; I see this example in the XMP spec
rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
xmlns:xmp=http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/;
rdf:Description rdf:about=
xmp:BaseURL
Hello Larry,
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:40PM +, Larry Masinter wrote:
And Michael Brunnbauer replied:
I am right that such a pointer to external data would have to be a literal?
The way I read the XMP standard is that only literals, blank nodes,
rdf:Bag and rdf:Seq are allowed
I wrote:
Image formats like JPEG and PNG (for which there
is support for XMP) don't have a standard, uniform
way of attaching other files, though, so allowing
data (or a pointer to external data) in the XMP
would broaden the applicability.
And Michael Brunnbauer replied:
I am right
There’s a survey by Ross Mounce here:
http://rossmounce.co.uk/2013/01/06/pdf-metadata-using-exiftool/
Regards
Rod
-
Roderic Page
Professor of Taxonomy
Institute of Biodiversity, Animal Health and Comparative Medicine
College of Medical,
Hello Larry,
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 05:28:38PM +, Larry Masinter wrote:
Image formats like JPEG and PNG (for which there
is support for XMP) don't have a standard, uniform
way of attaching other files, though, so allowing
data (or a pointer to external data) in the XMP
would broaden
I don't think that is true; I see this example in the XMP spec
rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
xmlns:xmp=http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/;
rdf:Description rdf:about=
xmp:BaseURL rdf:resource=http://www.adobe.com//
/rdf:Description
/rdf:RDF
Isn't this the same as
ledger. Not for a minute
do I think this was a good thing, and in any case no fault of GRDDL.
On Wed, 1/21/15, Paul Tyson phty...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Subject: Re: linked open data and PDF
To: Norman Gray nor...@astro.gla.ac.uk
Cc: Paul Houle
.
On Wed, 1/21/15, Paul Tyson phty...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Subject: Re: linked open data and PDF
To: Norman Gray nor...@astro.gla.ac.uk
Cc: Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com, Herbert Van de Sompel
hvds...@gmail.com, jschnei...@pobox.com jschnei...@pobox.com,
public-lod@w3.org public
Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com:
You should be able to pipe the InputStream that comes out of a PDF filew/
PDFBox into Jena or some other RDF toolset.
Hopefully. If not, you might be better off using one of the XMP toolkits; I'm
not sure.
A much more challenging issue is developing a
Paul and Rod, hello.
On 2015 Jan 21, at 16:32, Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the world needs a survey of XMP metadata in the field. Only by
inspection of a large set of diverse files can we say how good or bad the
situation actually is.
Rod's link at
Greetings.
On 2015 Jan 20, at 14:42, Herbert Van de Sompel hvds...@gmail.com wrote:
Larry
How about HTTP Link headers (RFC 5988) to convey links and metadata
expressed as links when serving PDFs? I can imagine an authoring tool
embedding the info in XMP. But I have a harder time
I want to back up a bit from the question people normally ask:
“I have a PDF. How do I get the data out?”
to an earlier stage
“I have a PDF I got somehow, and I also have some data I think the PDF shows.
What can I do to make sure the data is easy to get out of (a new version of)
the PDF?”
I think the world needs a survey of XMP metadata in the field. Only
by inspection of a large set of diverse files can we say how good or bad
the situation actually is.
There ought to be a tool that gives XMP-annotated documents a point
score for metadata quality; you ought to get a
On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 17:16 +, Norman Gray wrote:
(also it's not even really about XMP; there are all sorts of ways of
scraping metadata out of objects and turning it into something which
an RDF parser can read, and from that point you can start being
imaginative. This is of course
the
data
in RDF/XML; I can't imagine it is hard to get this data out with third
party tools in most cases.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Larry Masinter masin...@adobe.com
wrote:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for
Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF
On 2015-01-20 18:28, Larry Masinter wrote:
There's some background that you might find helpful
in the discussion.
PDF is now defined by ISO 32000.
PDF has profiles, including PDF/A-3
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000360.shtml
ISO 19005-3. PDF/A-3 defines how to add arbitrary
Hello Martynas,
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 02:34:23AM +0100, Martynas Jusevi??ius wrote:
IMO mixing RDF/XML with JSON doesn't make sense.
This is not RDF/XML. This is XMP. The last time I looked, XMP was a
ridiculously crippled version of RDF/XML:
From: Herbert Van de Sompel hvds...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:10:45 -0700
Message-Id: 464e492a-1394-4a59-9c1d-520f9cb63...@gmail.com
Cc: public-lod@w3.org public-lod@w3.org
To: Larry Masinter masin...@adobe.com
Larry
How about HTTP Link headers (RFC 5988) to convey links and
Thanks for clarifying that Michael. Well, then I give up :) XMP looks
ridiculous indeed. If normal RDF/XML was allowed, it could be actually
useful.
On Jan 20, 2015 9:28 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de wrote:
Hello Martynas,
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 02:34:23AM +0100, Martynas
On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:05, Jodi Schneider jschnei...@pobox.com wrote:
From: Herbert Van de Sompel hvds...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:10:45 -0700
Message-Id: 464e492a-1394-4a59-9c1d-520f9cb63...@gmail.com
Cc: public-lod@w3.org public-lod@w3.org
To: Larry Masinter masin...@adobe.com
There's some background that you might find helpful
in the discussion.
PDF is now defined by ISO 32000.
PDF has profiles, including PDF/A-3
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000360.shtml
ISO 19005-3. PDF/A-3 defines how to add arbitrary
file attachments to PDF.
XMP
it will be
for the ecosystem.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com
wrote:
On 1/19/15 2:36 PM, Larry Masinter wrote:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five,
perhaps
:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story
for Linked Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats)
from one-star to five, perhaps using XMP. I’ve found a few
hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public
imagine it is hard to get this data out with third
party tools in most cases.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Larry Masinter masin...@adobe.com
wrote:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for
Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one
I made a little example PDF based on the example at http://5stardata.info/
where document metadata is in the XMP itself, but document data is just a
string value (this example uses JSON).
The same data from http://5stardata.info/gtd-5.html should be available in the
attached, starting from
Masinter masin...@adobe.com wrote:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five,
perhaps using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
cases.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Larry Masinter masin...@adobe.com
wrote:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for
Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to
five,
perhaps using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing
improve the story for Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five,
perhaps using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2014Oct/0169.html
but I’m still looking. Any clues, problem statements
improve the story for Linked
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five,
perhaps using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2014Oct/0169.html
but I’m still looking. Any clues, problem statements
Larry,
IMO mixing RDF/XML with JSON doesn't make sense. Why not keep it
RDF/XML? Like this (not tested):
x:xmpmeta xmlns:x=adobe:ns:meta/
rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
rdf:Description rdf:about=
xmlns:pdf=http://ns.adobe.com/pdf/1.3/;
Open Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five,
perhaps using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2014Oct/0169.html
but I’m still looking. Any clues, problem statements, sample sites?
Larry
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for Linked Open
Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five, perhaps
using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2014Oct/0169.html
but I’m
On 2015-01-19 21:20, Sarven Capadisli wrote:
Here is another paper: http://linked-reseach.270a.info/
Typo:
http://linked-research.270a.info/
:)
On 2015-01-19 20:36, Larry Masinter wrote:
I just joined this list. I’m looking to help improve the story for Linked Open
Data in PDF, to lift PDF (and other formats) from one-star to five, perhaps
using XMP. I’ve found a few hints in the mailing list archive here.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives
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