Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Hammond, Tony
Hi Jeni: Agree with this: a normal developer would want to just get: [{ book: http://example.org/book/book6;, title: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince },{ Wondered if you'd seen the JSONC proposal coming from the Google Data API work: Hi, As part of the

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Hammond, Tony
(Sorry for my last post. That'll learn me for composing in place. Hamfistedly hit the wrong buttons.) Hi Jeni: Agree with this: a normal developer would want to just get: [{ book: http://example.org/book/book6;, title: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince },{

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Richard Light
In message c74badc3.20683%t.hamm...@nature.com, Hammond, Tony t.hamm...@nature.com writes Normal developers will always want simple. Surely what normal developers actually want are simple commands whereby data can be streamed in, and become available programmatically within their chosen

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Dan Brickley
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Richard Light rich...@light.demon.co.uk wrote: In message c74badc3.20683%t.hamm...@nature.com, Hammond, Tony t.hamm...@nature.com writes Normal developers will always want simple. Surely what normal developers actually want are simple commands whereby data

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Dan Brickley
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: Richard, My opinion, based on the reactions that I've seen from enthusiastic, hard-working developers who just want to get things done, is that we (the data.gov.uk project in particular, linked data in general) are

Re: Creating JSON from RDF [OpenSearch Groups Link]

2009-12-14 Thread Hammond, Tony
Hi Damian: Sorry 'bout that. I did indeed include the wrong link (I was logged in at at the time). DeWitt's mail on the OpenSearch list is here: http://groups.google.com/group/opensearch/msg/f2f724e0e3123150 Here he's advocating JSONC as a possible (and practical) way forward. Cheers, Tony

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Richard, Isn't: Give 'em RDF and tell them to develop better toolsets ... exactly the approach that the RDF community has been pursuing for a decade or two, with less than impressive results? ;) Regards, Mark -- Mark Birbeck, webBackplane mark.birb...@webbackplane.com

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Richard Light
In message eb19f3360912140143m291c464brb76379d3cc2b0...@mail.gmail.com, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org writes RDF tooling still has some rough edges, it must be said. I am as enthusiastic about RDF as anyone (having been involved since 1997) but I've also seen the predictable results where on

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Richard, Despite the Bah, Humbug! tone of my previous mail, I am actually in favour too.  I just want to tease out the extent to which we would be giving developers what they say they want, rather than what they could actually use. The value of JSON is surely that JSON support is

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Richard Light
In message eb19f3360912140217w109daf1ah3c9320fa3363d...@mail.gmail.com, Dan Brickley dan...@danbri.org writes With every passing year the RDF tools do get a bit better, but also the old ones code rot a bit, or new things come along that need supporting (GRDDL, RDFa etc.). What can be done in

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Reynolds
Jeni Tennison wrote: On 12 Dec 2009, at 22:27, Danny Ayers wrote: I can't offer any real practical suggestions right away (a lot to digest here!) but one question I think right away may some significance: you want this to be friendly to normal developers - what kind of things are they actually

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Reynolds
Jeni Tennison wrote: It's worth noting that most of these APIs support a callback= parameter that makes the API return Javascript containing a function call rather than simply the JSON itself. I regard this as an unquestionably essential part of a JSON API, whether it uses RDF/JSON or RDFj or

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Reynolds
Hi Jenni, Jeni Tennison wrote: On 13 Dec 2009, at 13:34, Dave Reynolds wrote: I agree we want both graphs and SPARQL results but I think there is another third case - lists of described objects. I absolutely agree with you that lists of described objects is an essential part of an API.

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Reynolds
Mark Birbeck wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote: One thing that we want to do is provide JSON representations of both RDF graphs and SPARQL results. I wanted to run some ideas past this group as to how we might do that. Great again. :) In the

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Monday 14. December 2009 11:17:37 Dan Brickley wrote: I wish that kind of funding was easy to come by, but it's not. A lot of the work we need to get done around here to speed up progress is pretty boring stuff. It's not cutting edge research, nor the core of a world-changing startup, nor a

OS OpenSpace and sameas.org

2009-12-14 Thread John Goodwin
Very early days yet, but started a simple OS OpenSpace map interface for sameas.org. I hope to extend this to all administrative/voting regions in GB. But just to get going: http://www.johngoodwin.me.uk/boundaries/constsameas.html John This email is only intended for the person to whom it is

Re: Creating JSON from RDF

2009-12-14 Thread Danny Ayers
2009/12/14 Richard Light rich...@light.demon.co.uk: In message c74badc3.20683%t.hamm...@nature.com, Hammond, Tony t.hamm...@nature.com writes Normal developers will always want simple. Surely what normal developers actually want are simple commands whereby data can be streamed in, and