Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Greetings. On 1 Apr 2016, at 14:25, Barry Norton wrote: Is that transitive? Like in the Christian trinity... ...which naturally requires me to propose owl:sameAsHomoousianly owl:sameAsHomoiousianly owl:sameAsHeteroousianly owl:sameAsArianoid owl:sameAsAthanasiusoid owl:sameAsCumFiloque At

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Hi, I think you are just noticing the effects of real life when logic gets actually used. All predicates can get misused, because their semantics cannot be just syntactically checked, it depends on the intentions and practices of modellers and users of applications. On the other hand, there

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Nice thread We have proposed a justification framework for medical terminology mappings, see https://www.slideshare.net/kerfors/cim2014 http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~fm206/cim14/cim20140_submission_2.pdf On Friday, 1 April 2016, Barry Norton

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

On Apr 1, 2016, at 07:28, Melvin Carvalho wrote: >> On 1 April 2016 at 15:01, Sarven Capadisli wrote: >> There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at this >> point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. >> >>

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Hi, I think you are just noticing the effects of real life when logic gets actually used. All predicates can get misused, because their semantics cannot be just syntactically checked, it depends on the intentions and practices of modellers and users of applications. On the other hand, there

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

As someone who looked fairly deeply into owl:sameAs use, the problem is not fatal but is endemic. Nonetheless about 1/3 of the sameAs usages are actually more or less similarity and better handled by statistics. The rest require likely domain specific predicates. Logic and the world do not layer

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Thanks Pieter, > Le 1 avr. 2016 à 15:40, Pieter Colpaert a écrit : > > https://github.com/pietercolpaert/samesamebutdifferent/blob/master/vocabulary.ttl > > Cool . I am in the

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

It is not about stopping building naive applications, it is about starting to build smart applications.. Trust and provenance will only get you so far. It can easily be the royal road to becoming very good at seeing the Emperor's clothes. Even authoritative sources often have singularities or

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016, at 15:01, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at > this point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. > > The research that I've done makes me conclude that we need to do a > massive sweep of the LOD

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

It's less of a joke when it's a much argued topic within philosophical Ontology. Your proposal is somewhat close to Geach's denial of absolute identity, though it is not clear what your precise stance on identity is, or, if you own a donkey, whether you have stopped beating it. Can you clarify

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Rarely has religious trolling been so richly rewarded. Thanks for being so humorously on board (and not burning me at the stake!) Barry On 1 April 2016, at 16:50, Norman Gray wrote: Greetings. On 1 Apr 2016, at 14:25, Barry Norton wrote: > Is that transitive? Like

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Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Is that transitive? Like in the Christian trinity... On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: > And would we also have owl:differentDifferentButSame? > > The built-in OWL property owl:differentDifferentButSame links things to > things. Such an

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

On 1 April 2016 at 15:01, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at this > point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. > > The research that I've done makes me conclude that we need to do a massive > sweep

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

I like the predicate :rewritesTo where :x :rewritesTo :y . entails that :x ?a ?b => :y ?a ?b ?a :x ?b => ?a :y ?b ?a ?b :x => ?a ?b :y And the "=>" means the second triple REPLACES the original triple. For instance this is often done when copying triples from one graph to another. This same

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

> On 1 Apr 2016, at 14:01, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > > There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at this > point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. > > The research that I've done makes me conclude that we need to do a massive >

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

I would prefer to leave things as use and create owl:actuallySameAs and when this gets abused we can create owl:actuallySameAsReally On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Henry Story wrote: > > > On 1 Apr 2016, at 14:01, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > > > > There

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Hi Sarven, Be careful what you wish for! Conference organizers may claim that "PDF-paper owl:sameSameButDifferent HTML-paper", in which case submission formats do not need to be changed. :-P --- Cheers!, Wouter.

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

And would we also have owl:differentDifferentButSame? The built-in OWL property owl:differentDifferentButSame links things to things. Such an owl:differentDifferentButSame statement indicates that two URI references actually refer to different things but may be the same under some

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

... and, yes, I'm aware of the date but any chance for a dig ;) Cheers, Barry On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Barry Norton wrote: > Or we could stop building naive applications that treat assertion as fact, > and instead only reason on statements we accept based on

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

I like it, will it be a subproperty of owl:isKindaLike ? On Friday, April 1, 2016, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at this > point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. > > The research that I've

Deprecating owl:sameAs

There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at this point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. The research that I've done makes me conclude that we need to do a massive sweep of the LOD cloud and adopt owl:sameSameButDifferent. I think the

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Wait, I'm confused. Do you mean that owl:sameSameButDifferent owl:sameSameButDifferent owl:sameAs. ? Best, Ruben

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

What about using SKOS instead, like the paper suggests? On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > There is overwhelming research [1, 2, 3] and I think it is evident at this > point that owl:sameAs is used inarticulately in the LOD cloud. > > The research that

Re: Deprecating owl:sameAs

Or we could stop building naive applications that treat assertion as fact, and instead only reason on statements we accept based on trust and provenance. Wasn't that the plan? Regards, Barry On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Sarven Capadisli wrote: > There is overwhelming