, solutions like IE's IE7
mode are fine. IMHO we should be concentrating on pages on the Web, not
on browser-specific pages -- interoperability isn't relevant when the
page isn't intended to run on multiple browsers.
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to support it in order to be XHR compliant, if that is what you implied.
I didn't mean to imply that. I don't think XHR should require any
particular level of support.
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if the UA didn't support that level of DOM on regular
DOM objects too. The key is just to make sure that the objects returned by
XHR are of equivalent DOM support as the rest of the UA's objects.
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by
the license on that page, and I don't really want to run the risk of
committing Google to a license by accident without speaking to our lawyers
first, and that seems like a bit of an extreme to go to just to see your
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test that the DOM returned from XHR is DOM
Core conformant just like any other, so this seems like an important and
relevant testing area for XHR.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Doug Schepers wrote:
As for being subscribed to a list without being asked... I don't know.
Just position it as a list renaming. :-) Then they're aren't being
subscribed to a new list, so much as having an existing subscription
updated for their convenience.
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. If this turns out to be incompatible with
the Web, we'll have to change it somehow, maybe by keeping track of
whether the value was set by script or not.)
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for geo fails, as seems likely given
several browser vendors have requested that it stay in this group.
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at describing existing behaviour.
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and
several have expressed their agreement since I first mentioned this last
week, which puts us ahead of most of our working group decisions! :-)
I understand that you are travelling; my apologies for making this
request when you are indisposed.
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, say, to be
different chapters of the same language spec, rather than if we consider
them to be separate languages.)
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/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Mar/0011.html
http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/wiki/GeolocationAPI
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so forth.
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creation as far as we can.
Do you know when the AC review for this new WG will start?
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are looking into it aggressively. I'll keep
you posted as we make progress.
Cool, thanks.
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On Tue, 27 May 2008, Doug Schepers wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote (on 5/27/08 6:09 PM):
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Doug Schepers wrote:
The W3C intends to follow through on that, and to allocate Team
resources to this valuable technology. We will announce something
formal soon.
Rest
this into the spec, even if it's
common for Javascript APIs.
I have to say, I would rather prefer it be treated as .
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codepoints than 2E and 5C
respectively. I.e. would we need to forbid its use on URIs other than
ones containing
(.|%2e)(.|%2e)(\|%5c)
I could live with that.
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remember to deal with the mouseover event's quirk when doing this.
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I agree that the
spec could be read as saying that the node is inserted after the range
when it is collapsed, I don't think we want that behaviour, nor that it
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that won't be finished for a long time.
Pragmatically, why does it matter when the references are finished?
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want to do it -- indeed, that's where XMLHttpRequest started its standards
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On Thu, 15 May 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
The spec can't be more ready than all normative references.
Sure it can. The concept of origin (for instance) is pretty well
understood by browser vendors, and HTML5 is getting
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
The spec can't be more ready than all normative references.
Sure it can. The concept of origin (for instance
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Julian Reschke wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
...
What's wrong with referencing HTML5? Why can't the spec be more ready than
its normative references? We're only really referencing the concept, the
details aren't particularly critical to XHR.
...
Because
, as apparently, it's irrelevant for the goal it's trying
to achieve.
The point is that Apple and Microsoft are both going to implement the
thing as required by the Web in 2000, not as defined in HTML5. HTML5 is
describing existing practice on these matters, not defining new material.
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material ;-)
The bits that XHR depend on, which is the subject at hand, aren't new
relative to the Web in 2000.
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anything I can do to help I'd be happy to do so. I would like
to see this draft reach last call this month if possible.
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point if there have been no
objections raised we go ahead and make the change to the DOM2 errata.
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On Wed, 14 May 2008, Robert Sayre wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I said in the very first e-mail on this subject, that's what I'd
like to do. However, that's a significantly higher cost (years vs
weeks) than releasing an errata
process by which
I should raise issues to make sure they don't get lost?
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is a pretty regular occurance. We certainly have a
vested interest in making sure that the Web APIs can handle this amount of
data -- this is the kind of thing we'd be using now, if we could.
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algorithms they want for performance.
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, potentially leading to privilege
escalation attacks (e.g. if the user thinks he's uploading a PNG but
the server sniffs it as an HTML file and sends it back as such).
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on this
rather than anyone else -- my interest is in forwarding the platform as a
whole. :-)
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this spec?
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section we really need to have access to
these events so that, for example, we can, if the user so desires, cancel
them and provide our own IME implementation (which might hook into
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uniformly so poor that it is hard to impossible to get precise technical
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Jon Barnett wrote:
On 4/26/07, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Karl Pongratz wrote:
I had a short look at the webforms and web applications
specification at whatwg.org, I didn't find anything about modal and
modeless windows
to update this thread, Microsoft's new Virtual Earth uses the
mouse wheel for zooming.
http://virtualearth.msn.com/
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have seen the replies.)
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and without sacrificing any potential
use cases. It even handles the case of a UA wanting to make site-local
links follow the pseudos but site-global links not leak information.
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leakage by using a timing attack based on how long selectors took to be
processed in the two cases.
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, where this is now being
developed.
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. The former currently doesn't really easily fit into JS, it would be
nice if it could be made somehow more consistent (e.g. so that you could
override the EventTarget methods and affect all objects that implement
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...these are not problems with the Access Control and XXX specs. XDR is
just as susceptible to these problems.
The above e-mail also describes ways to mitigate these problems.
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can't prevent them later. That's why I prefer starting with them
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on a
technologically superior, safer, and more comprehensive solution that has
as much implementation experience and significantly more authoring
experience, based on extending existing APIs instead of arbitarily
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'. It seems
to have the same degree of 'compatibility' as introducing new APIs
on the XHR object.
The XHR2 proposal isn't a new API. It's the same API for same-domain
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to define
[[Construct]], thus making this vary on a per-interface basis.
Requiring that [[Call]] be implemented but not saying what its actual
behaviour should be is a bit strange, I think.
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behaviour of their author's
favourite browser, and thus failing on browsers that arbitrarily picked a
different behaviour.
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stuff ([#textContent*='...'], [#col=4], [#row2], etc), this, and the
various other new ideas that have been suggested since Selectors last had
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by the document.
Thus it is possible for an element to match neither * * nor :root.
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Webkit is correct. The Selectors spec defines :root as:
The :root pseudo-class represents an element that is the root of the
document.
OK. It wasn't obvious to me whether that was because people hadn't
considered
, and the commentors
have a clear way of knowing when to look at the spec to see if they are
happy with the new text. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it as you
wish, I just find it helps. :-)
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How do you mean?
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sense to have authoring conformance requirements
for this spec at all.
Anyway. HTH,
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matches it?
That seems like optimising for the wrong case in a pretty big way.
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it now support
Selectors API? Your answer is yes. mine, according to your
specification - no.
Yet if the spec had had a hasFeature check, it would be returning true
right now, since they would have implemented that too. So hasFeature()
doesn't solve your problem either.
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think this is a highly theoretical concern and in practice hasFeature()
is a waste of time and effort (and memory and CPU and bandwidth).
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it as it gives more information to the server
about what is going on and can help inform the server's response.
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Actually it does, in that navigation is the only way to change the
window.document attribute's value. Removing an iframe from another
document doesn't affect the iframe's Window object's document attribute.
Is navigation
my
testing:
http://tc.labs.opera.com/apis/XMLHttpRequest/open/031.htm
Then again, there's no specification that I know of that defines when
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lifetime, depending on which document is active. What should happen
when the original document is no longer the active document? Directly
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http
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Cameron McCormack wrote:
Ian Hickson:
Our conclusion was that we would like a way to mark an interface as
being a callback and thus implementable as a function, with the interface
having one method, that method defing the signature of the function. Such
interfaces
spec, I can just define a preprocessor step for this for myself.)
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. Non-idea for the end-user, but by
their own choice.
Referer is also blocked when going from https:// to http://, for the same
reasons as above, and we want Referer-Root available then too.
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, it should
probably be listed as something that specifications should only include if
it is considered useful for that particular case.
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to have finished and then fires. As far as I can tell the spec
is exact about this.
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native
representation of a byte array than a UTF-16 string.
Editorial: you have which functions, analagously to the (extraneous
comma) in various places.
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not sure I remember which it was.
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do about that.
It almost seems like window names should be scoped to origins But I
bet that would break some site somewhere. :(
Indeed, I tried doing that earlier and you complained, saying it would
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-compatible way for
compatibility with Web content, as I understand it. So the sooner we
define how this is to work, the sooner we can get wider consistency and
less browser differences that affect authors.
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FYI, DOMContentLoaded is now defined as part of HTML5.
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On Thu, 24 May 2007, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
Does:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#browsing
...(specifically point 4 in the algorithm)
Quite frankly, I don't see how point 4 is compatible with the real
world. In particular, if point 4
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
Ian Hickson wrote:
The case I was particularly concerned about was not presented vs
not presented, but has its own global scripting context and is
neutral to script. A document in an IFRAME has its own Window -- if
you have navigated away
, is the answer acceptable?
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On Tue, 22 May 2007, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
The problem we want to solve with the ES Bindings specification is that
Who is we here? IMHO, the problem we want to solve is the lack of a
clear and succint yet detailed formal definition of how DOM objects in JS
should be implemented.
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% of the multibillion document sample) that the numbers are
probably swamped by the error margin.
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section is empty.
fileName: The name of the file, exclusive of its path. Good.
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the definitions
back to HTML5 to deal with the more complicated cases which the Windows
spec says are out of scope.)
Could you give an exact list of the changes between the WHATWG draft and
this one? (Ideally to the level of individual word and markup changes?)
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Events.
The acknowledgements refer to the WHATWG progress event proposal as
being invaluable in preparing this draft, but that seems unlikely since
there is no such proposal (the provided reference is to the progress
element, a UI widget).
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the hard work. :-)
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Web APIs Issue Tracker wrote:
Is it worth adding to progress events to support this use case, or
should it stay as small as possible?
Are there any other actual use cases? What else would you use the progress
events for if not a standard progress UI?
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Ian Hickson wrote:
I haven't actually looked at the spec, but, I would recommend something
along the lines of:
Apparently I should have given rationales, so:
MUST fire at zero bytes
...so that progress bars can be initialized with the right length
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Jim Ley wrote:
Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MUST fire again at the end, even if that is zero bytes
...so that progress bars can be easily guarenteed to reach the 100%
mark, which is important for usability.
Using onload is sensible
, then removed by the handler for
the existing 'load' event, we can easily foster backwards-compatible UI
that will work identically in old and new UAs with the exception of having
nice updating progress bars in the new UAs.
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criteria.
If it helps, as one of the editors of the Selectors specification, I would
say that it isn't incorrect to consider div, p to be a selector
(singular). The terminology in the spec says that technically that's a
group of selectors, but I wouldn't worry about that.
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of:
MUST fire at zero bytes
MUST fire again at the end, even if that is zero bytes
SHOULD fire at least once every 500ms in between the above two events,
unless no progress has been made in that time.
SHOULD NOT fire more than once every 10ms.
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precedent
in the new world of public Web spec development.
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group override the editor on such a trivial
issue as naming is a bad precedent for open Web spec development.
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creep and certainly, as you point out, without letting their own opinions
make them ignore important parts of the community.
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Things that are impossible
micromanaging the names.)
I should probably point out that I represent a company whose opinion is
that the longer names are fine. I'm not worried about what the names are.
My point is that the process by which the names were obtained is not a
good one, IMHO.
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that the editor is not being forced
down a path that represents the community better, but is just being forced
to take a different minority position? Especially on an issue that, as you
point out, will never be more than a minor pain?
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.
Yeah, I agree with that. What's the rationale for not having
bindings-are-ready and bound?
'bound' on its own is too vague.
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Things
FYI, the XBL2 spec currently defines two events, 'xbl-bound' and
'bindings-are-ready', without namespaces. If anyone thinks that these
events should be namespaced, please let me know.
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).
FWIW, the special casing was done at the request of the HTML working group.
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Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
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