Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-16 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Wed, 10.02.10 09:59, Markus Rechberger (mrechber...@gmail.com) wrote: this is another wrong assumption, libusb uses raw USB access, if every user would have access to USB some devices might be damaged. Sane

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-16 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 16.02.10 20:48, Markus Rechberger (mrechber...@gmail.com) wrote: Lennard, don't spread nonsense around, if you have raw access to a camera there might be the possibility to update the firmware

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-10 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and David Henningsson at 10/02/10 06:14 did gyre and gimble: Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and David Henningsson at 09/02/10 21:52 did gyre and gimble: I wrote down a few use cases here, I'm sure

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-10 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 08.02.10 19:11, olin.pulse@shivers.mail0.org (olin.pulse@shivers.mail0.org) wrote: PA is a system that manages access to a hardware resource, in a network distributed context. Such a system must

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 09/02/10 02:16 did gyre and gimble: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:01 AM,  olin.pulse@shivers.mail0.org wrote: Bill Cox: While the right way is not system-wide mode, in practice, I

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
Can you demonstrate this? In the past when I've tested this behaviour on OSX (it was quite a while ago) it behaves exactly as I described above, and I've literally just now re-tested this on a colleagues Mac (latest version):  1. Enable Fast User Switching (System Settings - Accounts -

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 15:52 +0100, Markus Rechberger wrote: snip 1. default Mac from a company 2. open a terminal and play an mp3 with mplayer as normal user 3. going to another PC and logging in with ssh (as root) and playing

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote: The corking stuff in PA is very cool.  I don't think anyone objects to it.  But couldn't we quell all the PA stinks! posts by just allowing some processes/groups/users to have constant access to audio? Comparisons to MAC

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 09/02/10 14:52 did gyre and gimble: Can you demonstrate this? In the past when I've tested this behaviour on OSX (it was quite a while ago) it behaves exactly as I described above

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 09/02/10 18:25 did gyre and gimble: iTunes *requests* nothing. It simply *adheres* to what it has been told is happening. The same would be true of any application that listens

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:14 AM, David Henningsson launchpad@epost.diwic.se wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and David Henningsson at 09/02/10 21:52 did gyre and gimble: I wrote down a few use cases here, I'm sure there are more:

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-08 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:01 AM, olin.pulse@shivers.mail0.org wrote: Bill Cox: While the right way is not system-wide mode, in practice, I find system-wide mode to be very stable and usable on Ubuntu systems that have multiple users trying to send sound to the speakers. So, I'm still

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2010-01-04 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Sun, 03.01.10 07:41, Bill Cox (waywardg...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, Colin.  I disagree that speech-dispatcher and speechd-up are broken and need to be fixed.  speechd-up is a root daemon attached to the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Is running as user smart or dumb?

2010-01-01 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote: Since I didn't get much response with my more polite e-mail, here's what I really think, given my current ignorance about pulseaudio... PulseAudio is cool, but I fear it's over-engineered by some Ph.D's with too much

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Using pulseaudio with speakup

2010-01-01 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Tanu Kaskinen ta...@iki.fi wrote: pe, 2010-01-01 kello 16:58 -0500, Bill Cox kirjoitti: Anyone out there every get hacked because you shared the Alsa back-end with another user?  Anyone? I don't think anyone is going to get hacked because of this - it's rather

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-24 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 23/12/09 14:35 did gyre and gimble: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 23/12/09 13:45 did gyre

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-24 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 24/12/09 12:43 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 23/12/09 14:35 did gyre

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-23 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Markus Rechberger mrechber...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 22.12.09 17:54, Markus Rechberger (mrechber...@gmail.com) wrote: Well, but nevertheless an X session is required to allow

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-23 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Wed, 23.12.09 13:16, Markus Rechberger (mrechber...@gmail.com) wrote: Right. It is innovative to carry on with the brokeness we always had just because we always had it and not because we would ever think

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-23 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 23/12/09 13:45 did gyre and gimble: You're certainly good at ignoring bugreports your way, instead of finding solutions to fix it up. Can you give links to these bug reports

[pulseaudio-discuss] Pulseaudio in general - does it make sense?

2009-12-22 Thread Markus Rechberger
Hi, I was using PA for around 1 1/2 years now. My feedback: 1. I asked for some help which worked out fine at the beginning 2. problems grew and are still growing .. I'd still get some help but I just want to have my stuff work and I'm not interested in playing debugger with Ubuntu anymore. 3. We

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-22 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Fri, 27.11.09 17:30, Henning Oschwald (h.oschw...@gmx.de) wrote: previously you have to ask yourself some very serious questions when you are using a root process to interact with sound anyway? Why should

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Pulseaudio in general - does it make sense?

2009-12-22 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Vadim Peretokin vpereto...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone has their viewpoint. Gaming in Ubuntu Karmic is quite an unpleasant experience due to the ALSA-PA plugin making games die / have really stuttering sound. Nobody cares about it atm until after the holidays, so

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Pulseaudio in general - does it make sense?

2009-12-22 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Markus Rechberger mrechber...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Vadim Peretokin vpereto...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone has their viewpoint. Gaming in Ubuntu Karmic is quite an unpleasant experience due to the ALSA-PA plugin making games die / have

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Pulseaudio in general - does it make sense?

2009-12-22 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Arun Raghavan arun.ragha...@collabora.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 12:47 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] Coding is kewl, I do it myself on smaller systems, but  where are the man pages that should allow us to make it Just Work(TM)? [...] I think the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-12-22 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 22/12/09 16:54 did gyre and gimble: A couple of years ago I used to log in on a remote PC and export XMMS to another PC for playing back audio, I can imagine that this is also

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-27 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 27/11/09 05:54 did gyre and gimble: right now I'm experiencing that mplayer just mutes after a few seconds, when I start up pavucontrol audio starts to work again. See

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-27 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 27/11/09 09:13 did gyre and gimble: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 27/11/09 05:54 did gyre

[pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
Hi, I've been working quite a while with pulseaudio, one thing that breaks alsa compatibility is that since PA is user based root is not allowed to access audio. This always worked with native Alsa even if root is not in the audio group. I'm not sure if this behaviour is intended to be like that

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM, David Csercsics a...@shaw.ca wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:51:25PM +0800, Markus Rechberger wrote: Hi, I've been working quite a while with pulseaudio, one thing that breaks alsa compatibility is that since PA is user based root is not allowed to access

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Markus Rechberger mrechber...@gmail.com wrote: The flash plugin is able to interfere and mute pulseaudio occasionally ... the applications (eg. mplayer) don't show up anything strange

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 26/11/09 08:51 did gyre and gimble: Hi, I've been working quite a while with pulseaudio, one thing that breaks alsa compatibility is that since PA is user based root

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 26/11/09 14:50 did gyre and gimble: I don't know how the permission stuff is handled, but root should be an exception for this and be allowed by default. The exception

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 26/11/09 18:13 did gyre and gimble: we could move it to kernelspace too it's a driver. Do you read lkml? Not going to happen. no, I meant our work not pulseaudio. Ahh right

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Accessing audio as root

2009-11-26 Thread Markus Rechberger
(Ubuntu is known to have issues, although pulseaudio is configured to run per user, no other process is accessing pulseaudio, nothing is bypassing pulseaudio either here). Markus On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Markus Rechberger mrechber...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Colin

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] /.

2009-10-20 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: You'll no doubt be aware, but: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/19/0155235/PulseAudio-Creator-Responds-To-Critics It's full of the usual ill informed rants, but obviously user experience is a tough one to judge

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] /.

2009-10-20 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: Please fix you're broken lineends. 'Twas brillig, and Markus Rechberger at 20/10/09 21:03 did gyre and gimble: I'm also using pulseaudio for one of my product actually (just because the devices we ship have to work