Re: best ways to deal with bool values in config ?

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Tycon adie...@gmail.com wrote: Python is so messed up, the only explanation is that the people making it up are blindly following misguided principles. Since it's so easy to make a web framework in Python, why don't you make your own and then you won't have to

console tools

2009-01-23 Thread cropr
I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, but I don't need any wsgi stuff. What is the best and easiest way to start up the console

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM, cropr ruben.dec...@gmail.com wrote: I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, but I don't need any

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread cropr
Thanks That is what I am looking for cropr On 23 jan, 10:03, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM, cropr ruben.dec...@gmail.com wrote: I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore).  I want to

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Mike Orr wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM, cropr ruben.dec...@gmail.com wrote: I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of some parameter settings in the development.ini or

routes src

2009-01-23 Thread przemek.ch
I'm getting an error while trying to get sources from svn co http://routes.groovie.org/svn/trunk routes svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/svn/trunk' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this

Re: routes src

2009-01-23 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM, przemek.ch przemek...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting an error while trying to get sources from svn co http://routes.groovie.org/svn/trunk routes svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/svn/trunk'

Re: best ways to deal with bool values in config ?

2009-01-23 Thread Tycon
I was just responding to other people's posts, and I'm not the only person to ever criticize python (while still acknoledging its strengths). On Jan 23, 1:45 am, Alberto Valverde albe...@toscat.net wrote: Mike Orr wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Tycon adie...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread Mario Ruggier
On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Mike Orr wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM, walterbyrd walterb...@iname.com wrote: And if so, why? Everybody who uses Pylons knows that other frameworks exist and had maybe tried one or two others, but has made a conscious choice that they like Pylons'

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread Michael Bayer
what a strange post. There are no unicode issues in WSGI, and the usage of WSGI in the generic sense doesn't complicate things to any degree - the spec is just a single function call.If there are Py3K issues in Paste, lets first make it clear that *every* application that deals explicitly

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread chris mollis
well put. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Michael Bayer zzz...@gmail.com wrote: what a strange post. There are no unicode issues in WSGI, and the usage of WSGI in the generic sense doesn't complicate things to any degree - the spec is just a single function call.If there are Py3K

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 07:05 -0800, Michael Bayer wrote: The only price Pylons is paying is it assumes the developer would like to consider how his application should be architected, instead of those decisions being made implicitly and invisibly. This is a cultural situation created by the

Re: Exploring ramework futures

2009-01-23 Thread Echo
+1 I agree. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Marcus Cavanaugh marcuscavana...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 19, 10:24 pm, Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree that need to start looking towards WSGI 2.0 and Python 3.0 would be a good trigger for that. +1 on that.

Re: Recommended production deployment

2009-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
mk wrote: Somewhat off topic, where I work (software group at big IT corporation) there is lots and lots of resistance towards dynamic typing. It *is* felt that dynamic typing, even in the model of strong dynamic typing of Python, belongs precisely to the realm of hobbyist languages like

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread Ian Bicking
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:31 AM, cropr ruben.dec...@gmail.com wrote: I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, but I don't need any wsgi

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Jonathan Vanasco
I think Pylons should only support Authentication as in http auth that is supported by Apache/Nginx/Etc , and things like mod_auth / ldap / etc. It would be nice if it supported some sort of tie-in with services that proxy to/from it to make that auth persist. But everything else that people do

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Ben Bangert
On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Tom Longson (nym) wrote: I'm worried about the state of authentication in pylons. I don't know what I'd recommend to someone else for authentication if they were to start building something, and I think this is a big stumbling point with pylons as a web framework. I

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Dalius Dobravolskas
Tom Longson (nym) wrote: I'm worried about the state of authentication in pylons. I don't know what I'd recommend to someone else for authentication if they were to start building something, and I think this is a big stumbling point with pylons as a web framework. I understand not everyone

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
Ben Bangert wrote: There is no auth in Pylons, its beyond the scope. I think I agree, but a note: Pretty much every site I've built has stored users differently, some have permissions, some just use groups, some just use permissions. To be clear -- Authentication and Authorization are two

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Christopher Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: Ben Bangert wrote: There is no auth in Pylons, its beyond the scope. I think I agree, but a note: Pretty much every site I've built has stored users differently, some have permissions, some just use groups,

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Gustavo Narea
On Friday January 23, 2009 22:34:25 Mike Orr wrote: repoze.what can handle authorization for at least some sites, but I'm not sure how finished it is. Out-of-the-box, repoze.what v1 supports the groups/permissions authorization pattern like AuthKit, but allows you to store such

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Miles
On 24/01/2009, at 8:34 AM, Mike Orr wrote: repoze.who solves the authentication issue, which as you say is both the biggest security concern and the mos standardized problem (how convenient). repoze.what can handle authorization for at least some sites, but I'm not sure how finished it

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Chris Miles miles.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to see the Pylons quickstart template offer an authentication/authorization solution as an option, in the same way that it offers a DB/ORM solution (SQLAlchemy) so the user can get started quickly. Many

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Miles
On 24/01/2009, at 2:02 PM, Mike Orr wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Chris Miles miles.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to see the Pylons quickstart template offer an authentication/authorization solution as an option, in the same way that it offers a DB/ORM solution (SQLAlchemy)

docs.pylonshq.com - tires my eyes

2009-01-23 Thread Jan Koprowski
Hi ! IMHO present documentations composed into site lite is a bad idea. Standard Sphinx generated site was better: more coherent, looks nicer. Contrast between white documentations background and brown layout is too high for me, I can't read documentation. My eyes is tortured. IMHO leaving

Re: docs.pylonshq.com - tires my eyes

2009-01-23 Thread Ben Bangert
On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Jan Koprowski wrote: IMHO present documentations composed into site lite is a bad idea. Standard Sphinx generated site was better: more coherent, looks nicer. Contrast between white documentations background and brown layout is too high for me, I can't read