Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-27 Thread Josiah Carlson
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josiah Carlson wrote: According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet), various languages have adopted a transliteration of their language and/or former alphabets into latin. They don't purport to know all of the reasons why,

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-27 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Martin v. Löwis wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: You even argued against having non-ASCII identifiers: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2002-May/102936.html I see :-) It seems I have changed my mind since then (which apparently predates PEP 263). One issue I apparently was

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-27 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Greg Ewing wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: If you are told to debug a program written by say a Japanese programmer using Japanese identifiers you are going to have a really hard time. Or you could look upon it as an opportunity to broaden your mental horizons by learning some Japanese. :-)

[Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread martin
The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. For a few days, this installation probably still needs to be considered in testing. If there are no serious problems found by next Monday, I would consider conversion of the data

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread skip
martin == martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: martin The Python source code repository is now converted to martin subversion; please feel free to start checking out new martin sandboxes. Excellent... Thanks for all the effort. Skip ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Jeremy Hylton
Can anyone point an old CVS/Perforce-Luddite at instructions for how to use the new SVN repository? Jeremy On 10/23/05, Michael Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to start the subversion switchover this coming Wednesday, with a total commit

[Python-Dev] [Docs] MinGW and libpython24.a

2005-10-27 Thread David Abrahams
David Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Abrahams wrote: Is the instruction at http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/inst/tweak-flags.html#SECTION000622000 still relevant? I am not 100% certain I didn't make one myself, but it

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Walter Dörwald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; [...] Thanks for doing this. BTW, will there be daily tarballs, like the one available from: http://cvs.perl.org/snapshots/python/python/python-latest.tar.gz Bye, Walter Dörwald

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed resolutions for open PEP 343 issues

2005-10-27 Thread Eric Nieuwland
Michael Chermside wrote: Guido writes: I find AttributeError: __exit__ just as informative. Eric Nieuwland responds: I see. Then why don't we unify *Error into Error? Just read the message and know what it means. And we could then drop the burden of exception classes and only use the

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread skip
Jeremy Can anyone point an old CVS/Perforce-Luddite at instructions for Jeremy how to use the new SVN repository? Jeremy, I'd never used Subversion until Barry grabbed the python.org web maintainers by our collective ears and dragged us to the table with the kool aid. As it turns out,

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Wolfgang Langner
Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: martin The Python source code repository is now converted to martin subversion; please feel free to start checking out new martin sandboxes. Excellent... Thanks for all the effort. Good work. I checked the http and viewcvs access and all

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Michael Hudson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. For a few days, this installation probably still needs to be considered in testing. If there are no serious problems found by next Monday, I would

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Jim Fulton
Jeremy Hylton wrote: Can anyone point an old CVS/Perforce-Luddite at instructions for how to use the new SVN repository? And can you remind us where to send our public keys? :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Python source code repository is now converted to subversion; please feel free to start checking out new sandboxes. Woo hoo! Thanks for all the hard work and good thinking, Martin. Most of you are probably interested in checking out

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread skip
Jim And can you remind us where to send our public keys? :) Jim, Send your keys to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless you specify otherwise, your login will probably be jim.fulton. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Walter Dörwald wrote: Thanks for doing this. BTW, will there be daily tarballs, like the one available from: http://cvs.perl.org/snapshots/python/python/python-latest.tar.gz Will be, yes (I'm saddened that you refer to this location, and not

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though there's no svn/cvs cheatsheet there, you may also find isolated tidbits in the Subversion FAQ: http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html Just grep around for cvs. In addition, you might want to read http://www.python.org/dev/svn.html Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Jim Fulton wrote: Can anyone point an old CVS/Perforce-Luddite at instructions for how to use the new SVN repository? And can you remind us where to send our public keys? :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] should work; you will get a confirmation when they are installed. Regards, Martin

[Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
I'm trying to make a module to support inotify (linux). I put together a module using boost::python. Problem is, inotify uses a file descriptor. If I call python os.fdopen on it, I get an error: Python 2.4.1 (#1, May 16 2005, 15:15:14) [GCC 4.0.0 20050512 (Red Hat 4.0.0-5)] on linux2 Type help,

[Python-Dev] Weekly Python Patch/Bug Summary

2005-10-27 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Patch / Bug Summary ___ Patches : 360 open (+16) / 2956 closed ( +1) / 3316 total (+17) Bugs: 893 open (+10) / 5353 closed (+12) / 6246 total (+22) RFE : 199 open ( -2) / 189 closed ( +2) / 388 total ( +0) New / Reopened Patches __ Patch

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Guido van Rossum wrote: Woo hoo! Thanks for all the hard work and good thinking, Martin. My pleasure! svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps This doesn't work for me. I'm sure the problem is on

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send your keys to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless you specify otherwise, your login will probably be jim.fulton. Mail to pydotorg doesn't allow posting from non-members; I watch for notifications for owner on that list and try to approve

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Wolfgang Langner wrote: But why is an old subversion used ? (Powered by Subversion version 1.1.4) That's the one Debian provides. We don't build our own, but use Debian packages for everything. Also, subversion 1.1 is not old: it was released on Oct 4, 2004; 1.1.4 is less than a year old.

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Michael Hudson wrote: Do checkins to svn.python.org go to the python-checkins list already? They do indeed - you should have received one commit message by now (me testing whether committing works, on PEP 347). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] [Docs] MinGW and libpython24.a

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
David Abrahams wrote: As it turns out, MinGW also implemented, in version 3.0.0 (with binutils-2.13.90-20030111-1), features which make the creation of libpython24.a unnecessary. So whoever maintains this doc might want to note that you only need that step if you are using a version of

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neal Becker wrote: Any ideas? I'd rather not have to trace through python if I could avoid it (I don't even have source installed here). Use strace, then. Find out what precise system call gives you this error. If this is not enough clue, post the relevant fragment of the trace output. Usage

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Greg Ewing wrote: I still think this is a much worse potential problem than that of l vs 1, etc. It's reasonable to adopt the practice of never using l as a single letter identifier, for example. But it would be unreasonable to ban the use of E as an identifier on the grounds that someone

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: Mail to pydotorg doesn't allow posting from non-members; I watch for notifications for owner on that list and try to approve as quickly as possible, but it's a manual process just to get the mail through. Ah, didn't know this. We should probably have a dedicated

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Becker wrote: Any ideas? I'd rather not have to trace through python if I could avoid it (I don't even have source installed here). Use strace, then. Find out what precise system call gives you this error. If this is not enough clue, post the relevant fragment

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:16, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think I would request a separate address; I don't think I want to get all webmaster email. I like the idea of a separate address as well. That address should probably include webmaster, though. Are you suggesting that the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Docs] MinGW and libpython24.a

2005-10-27 Thread David Abrahams
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Abrahams wrote: As it turns out, MinGW also implemented, in version 3.0.0 (with binutils-2.13.90-20030111-1), features which make the creation of libpython24.a unnecessary. So whoever maintains this doc might want to note that you only need

Re: [Python-Dev] [Docs] MinGW and libpython24.a

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
David Abrahams wrote: This isn't rocket science. Or maybe it is; if adding These instructions only apply if you're using a version of Python prior to 2.4.1 with a MinGW prior to 3.0.0 (with binutils-2.13.90-20030111-1) is not acceptable then no patch I could submit would be

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Walter Dörwald
Am 27.10.2005 um 19:18 schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Walter Dörwald wrote: Thanks for doing this. BTW, will there be daily tarballs, like the one available from: http://cvs.perl.org/snapshots/python/python/python-latest.tar.gz Will be, yes (I'm saddened that you refer to this location, and not

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neal Becker wrote: Yes, tried that- learned nothing. Please go back further in the trace file. There must be a return value of -1 (EISDIR) somewhere in the file, try to locate that. Here's strace. The write of '4' is where my code writes the value of fileno() to stdout, which is '4', which

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Becker wrote: Yes, tried that- learned nothing. Please go back further in the trace file. There must be a return value of -1 (EISDIR) somewhere in the file, try to locate that. Here's strace. The write of '4' is where my code writes the value of fileno() to

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-27 Thread skip
Fred Are you suggesting that the key-deposit address be routed to the Fred webmaster crew? Most of the webmasters don't have the access Fred needed to deposit keys. In fact, many of us on the pydotorg list don't have ssh access either. I suspect the number of useful recipients is

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neal Becker wrote: SYS_253(0, 0x7f88f0f0, 0x2dda3f00, 0x2ab4611b, 0x7) = 4 close(3)= 0 futex(0x502530, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x502530, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 fstat(1, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 3), ...}) = 0

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Walter Dörwald wrote: BTW, ViewCVS seems to be missing the stylesheet. http:// svn.python.org/view/*docroot*/styles.css gives an exception complaining about No such file or directory: '/etc/viewcvs/doc/ styles.css' Thanks, fixed. I already wondered why I was supposed to create a /viewcvs

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Brett Cannon
On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] Most of you are probably interested in checking out one of these folders: svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/trunk svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/branches/release24-maint svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/peps Why the entire

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I see. Python is making up the EISDIR, looking at the stat result. In Objects/fileobject.c:dircheck generates the EISDIR error, which apparently comes from posix_fdopen, PyFile_FromFile, fill_file_fields. Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
Bob Ippolito wrote: On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I see. Python is making up the EISDIR, looking at the stat result. In Objects/fileobject.c:dircheck generates the EISDIR error, which apparently comes from posix_fdopen, PyFile_FromFile,

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I see. Python is making up the EISDIR, looking at the stat result. In Objects/fileobject.c:dircheck generates the EISDIR error, which apparently

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I see. Python is making up the EISDIR, looking at the stat result. In Objects/fileobject.c:dircheck generates the EISDIR error, which apparently comes from posix_fdopen, PyFile_FromFile, fill_file_fields. Python simply does not support file objects which stat(2) as

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-27 Thread Neil Hodgson
Josiah Carlson: According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet), various languages have adopted a transliteration of their language and/or former alphabets into latin. They don't purport to know all of the reasons why, and I'm not going to speculate. I used to work

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Brett Cannon
I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so far. If something is not clear or people feel a step is missing, let me know. I will remove the CVS section once Martin has

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Tim Peters
[Brett Cannon] I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so far. If something is not clear or people feel a step is missing, let me know. Thanks, Brett! I'm just

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with inotify

2005-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
Bob Ippolito wrote: On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I see. Python is making up the EISDIR, looking at the stat result. In Objects/fileobject.c:dircheck generates the EISDIR

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Brett Cannon
On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett I have started a svn section in the dev FAQ Brett (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) pertaining to checking Brett out a project from the repository and other stuff discussed so Brett far. If something is not

[Python-Dev] PEP 352: Required Superclass for Exceptions

2005-10-27 Thread Brett Cannon
Well, I am at it again, but this time Guido is a co-conspirator. We wrote a PEP that introduces BaseException and moves KeyboardInterrupt and SystemExit. Even if you followed the discussion for PEP 348 you should read the PEP since I am sure there will be something that someone doesn't like,

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-27 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Thursday 27 October 2005 23:03, Brett Cannon wrote: I guess, but I just don't like wikis personally so I have no inclination to make the conversion. If someone wants to make the conversion over to the wiki and keep it up that's fine, but I have no problem keeping the dev FAQ updated