Re: [Python-Dev] dev FAQ updated with day-to-day svn questions

2005-11-10 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Brett Cannon wrote: I just finished fleshing out the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) with questions covering what someone might need to know for regular usage. If anyone thinks I didn't cover something I should have, let me know. SVK! /F

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistent behaviour in import/zipimport hooks

2005-11-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
Paul Moore wrote: On 11/9/05, Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Heller wrote: Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: It's a shame that 1) there's no equivalent of java -jar, i.e., python -z FILE.ZIP,

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistent behaviour in import/zipimport hooks

2005-11-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
Nick Coghlan wrote: Please consider looking at and commenting on PEP 328 - I got zero feedback when I wrote it, and basically assumed no-one else was bothered by the -m switch's fairly significant limitations (it went in close to the first Python 2.4 alpha release, so we wanted to keep it

Re: [Python-Dev] dev FAQ updated with day-to-day svn questions

2005-11-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brett Cannon wrote: I just finished fleshing out the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) with questions covering what someone might need to know for regular usage. If anyone thinks I didn't cover something I should have, let me know. Should the section Developing on Windows

Re: [Python-Dev] dev FAQ updated with day-to-day svn questions

2005-11-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brett Cannon wrote: I just finished fleshing out the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) with questions covering what someone might need to know for regular usage. If anyone thinks I didn't cover something I should have, let me know. For question 1.2.10, I believe you also want:

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistent behaviour in import/zipimport hooks

2005-11-10 Thread Paul Moore
On 11/10/05, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Moore wrote: On 11/9/05, Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Heller wrote: Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: It's a shame that 1)

Re: [Python-Dev] Weak references: dereference notification

2005-11-10 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
Qui, 2005-11-10 às 13:57 +1300, Greg Ewing escreveu: Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: OK, but what if it is a subclass of a builtin type, with instance variables? What if the PyObject is GC'ed but the ObjC object remains alive, and later you get a new reference to it? Do you create a

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 00:40 -0500, Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon wrote: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Michiel What is the advantage of Tk in comparison to other GUI Michiel toolkits? [...] My application doesn't need a toolkit at all. My problem is that because of Tkinter being the

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 11/9/05, Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My application doesn't need a toolkit at all. My problem is that because of Tkinter being the standard Python toolkit, we cannot have a decent event loop in Python. So this is the disadvantage I see in Tkinter. That's a

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon wrote: It's not because it likes to be in charge, it's because there's no other way to do it in Python. As I said: this is simply not true. You are right in the sense it is possible to get events handled using the solutions you proposed

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistent behaviour in import/zipimport hooks

2005-11-10 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 04:33 PM 11/9/2005 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/9/05, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, while we're on this subject, can we make the optimization options be part of the compile() interface? Right now the distutils has to actually exec another Python process

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistent behaviour in import/zipimport hooks

2005-11-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 11/10/05, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:33 PM 11/9/2005 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/9/05, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, while we're on this subject, can we make the optimization options be part of the compile() interface? Right now the

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:47 PM 11/10/2005 +, Donovan Baarda wrote: Twisted is an async-framework that I believe has support for using a variety of different event-loops, including Tkinter and wxWidgets, as well as it's own. Technically, it just gives Tkinter a chance to run every so often; you specifically

[Python-Dev] (no subject)

2005-11-10 Thread Michael Chermside
Sokolov Yura writes: Excuse my English No problem. You command of english probably exceeds my command of any other language. I think, we could just segregate tokens for decimal and real float and make them interoperable. Most of us works with business databases - all floats are really

[Python-Dev] Building Python with Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition

2005-11-10 Thread Christos Georgiou
I didn't see any mention of this product in the Python-Dev list, so I thought to let you know. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/download/ There is also a link for a CD image (.img) file to download. I am downloading now, so I don't know yet whether Python compiles with it

Re: [Python-Dev] dev FAQ updated with day-to-day svn questions

2005-11-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 11/10/05, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: I just finished fleshing out the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) with questions covering what someone might need to know for regular usage. If anyone thinks I didn't cover something I should have, let

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon wrote: You are missing multi-threading, which is the widely used approach to doing things simultaneously in a single process. The problem with threading (apart from potential portability problems) is that Python doesn't let us know when it's idle. This would cause

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon wrote: I have come to this conclusion after several years of maintaining a scientific plotting package and trying to set up an event loop for it. Whereas there are some solutions that more or less work, none of them work very well, and the solutions that we found

Re: [Python-Dev] dev FAQ updated with day-to-day svn questions

2005-11-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Nick Coghlan wrote: Should the section Developing on Windows disappear now? I think so, yes (along with the document it refers to). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Building Python with Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition

2005-11-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Christos Georgiou wrote: I didn't see any mention of this product in the Python-Dev list, so I thought to let you know. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/download/ There is also a link for a CD image (.img) file to download. I am downloading now, so I don't know yet

Re: [Python-Dev] dev FAQ updated with day-to-day svn questions

2005-11-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 11/10/05, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: I just finished fleshing out the dev FAQ (http://www.python.org/dev/devfaq.html) with questions covering what someone might need to know for regular usage. If anyone thinks I didn't cover something I should have, let

Re: [Python-Dev] Event loops, PyOS_InputHook, and Tkinter

2005-11-10 Thread Mark Hammond
Michiel wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/9/05, Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My application doesn't need a toolkit at all. My problem is that because of Tkinter being the standard Python toolkit, we cannot have a decent event loop in Python. So this is the