Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Robin Bryce
Actually, I meant that (among other things) it should be clarified that it's alright to e.g. put .pyc and data files inside Python library directories, and NOT okay to split them up. Phillip, Just to be clear: I understand you are not in favour of re-packaging data from python projects

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 23:19, Robin Bryce wrote: python2.4 profile (pstats) etc, was removed due to licensing issues rather than FHS. Should not be an issue for python2.5 but what, in general, can a vendor do except break python if their licensing policy cant accommodate all of pythons

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Anthony Baxter wrote: (The only other packaging thing like this that I'm aware of is python-minimal in Ubuntu. This is done for installation purposes and wacky dependency issues that occur when a fair chunk of the O/S

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Talin schrieb: To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. I readily agree that the documentation can be improved, and applaud

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Robin Bryce schrieb: python2.4 profile (pstats) etc, was removed due to licensing issues rather than FHS. Should not be an issue for python2.5 but what, in general, can a vendor do except break python if their licensing policy cant accommodate all of pythons batteries ? If some vendor has a

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Talin
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Talin schrieb: To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. I readily agree that the documentation

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their own system Python for the OS to work properly, I'm quite loathe to install Cheeseshop packages into the system site-packages. I've had Gentoo break occasionally when I did this for

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Mike Orr wrote: On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their own system Python for the OS to work properly, I'm quite loathe to install Cheeseshop

Re: [Python-Dev] ctypes and powerpc

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Heller
Ronald Oussoren schrieb: On Friday, November 24, 2006, at 08:21PM, Thomas Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to ask for help with an issue which I do not know how to solve. Please see this bug http://python.org/sf/1563807 ctypes built with GCC on AIX 5.3 fails with ld ffi error

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:05 PM 11/28/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this thread. For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their own system Python for the OS to work properly, I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this thread. For distros like Gentoo or Ubuntu that rely heavily on their own

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Gregory P. Smith
I question whether a distro built on Python can even afford to allow 3rd party packages to be installed in their system's site-packages. Maybe Python needs to extend its system-centric view of site-packages with an application-centric and/or user-centric view of extensions? Agreed,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread glyph
On 11:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep thinking I'd like to treat the OS as just another application, so that there's nothing special about it and the same infrastructure could be used for other applications with lots of entry level scripts. I agree. The motivation here is that the OS

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 06:41 PM 11/28/2006 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 01:05 PM 11/28/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this thread. For distros

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 01:05 PM 11/28/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 11/28/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a related issue that may or may not be in scope for this thread. For distros

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Linux Standard Base (LSB)

2006-11-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:10 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote: Well, you can always use setuptools, which generates script wrappers that import the desired module and call a function, after first setting up sys.path. :) That's so 21st Century! Where