Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
O.R.Senthil Kumaran writes: :-) My idea was, a human got to answer it unscrambled as 'fourth' as he understands what the question is and gives the proper answer. Agreed, there could be confusion at first. But for any given user, there's only going to be a first. Either they pass the

[Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Jeff Rush
Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make decisions on what goes into a release? You know, I've been a member of the Python community

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Jack Diederich
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:23:46AM -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. [snip] 4) How many committers to the cPython core are there? I don't have the necessary

[Python-Dev] Wither PEP 335 (Overloadable Boolean Operators)?

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
While reviewing PEPs, I stumbled over PEP 335 ( Overloadable Boolean Operators) by Greg Ewing. I am of two minds of this -- on the one hand, it's been a long time without any working code or anything. OTOH it might be quite useful to e.g. numpy folks. It is time to reject it due to lack of

[Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
With the help of Neal Norwitz, Jeremy Hylton, Alex Martelli and Collin Winter, I've greatly reduced the set of open PEPs numbered less than 3000. Here's a summary. Please speak up if we've made a grave error; I take all responsibility for the final decisions. Positive Decisions (Marked Accepted

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEPs] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the help of Neal Norwitz, Jeremy Hylton, Alex Martelli and Collin Winter, I've greatly reduced the set of open PEPs numbered less than 3000. Here's a summary. Please speak up if we've made a grave error; I take all responsibility for

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Jeff Rush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make decisions on what goes into a release?

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread skip
Jeff 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make Jeffdecisions on what goes into a release? JeffYou know, I've been a member of the Python community for many Jeffyears -- I know about PEPs, Guido as BDFL, and +1/-1. But I've Jeffnever figured

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: 4) How many committers to the cPython core are there? I don't have the necessary access to the pydotorg infrastructure to answer this -- can someone who does help me out here? According to

Re: [Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 18, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: SR 354 Enumerations in Python Finney Rejected; not enough interest, not sufficiently Pythonic. I have a competing proposal for enumerations which I just haven't gotten

[Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
Are the following accepted PEPs implemented and should be marked final: SA 358 The bytes Object Schemenauer, GvR SA 3106 Revamping dict.keys(), .values() .items() GvR SA 3109 Raising Exceptions in Python 3000Winter SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in

Re: [Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/18/07, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: SR 354 Enumerations in Python Finney Rejected; not enough interest, not sufficiently Pythonic. I have a competing proposal for enumerations which I just haven't

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the following accepted PEPs implemented and should be marked final: SA 358 The bytes Object Schemenauer, GvR SA 3106 Revamping dict.keys(), .values() .items() GvR Not yet -- the implementations of these two

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Collin Winter
On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the following accepted PEPs implemented and should be marked final: SA 3109 Raising Exceptions in Python 3000Winter Not yet implemented, will be this weekend. SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter

Re: [Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 18, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Guido, can you tell me whether the concept of enums for Python is being rejected, or this specific proposal? My proposal would be quite different, and I think, more Pythonic. Should I bother

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 5/18/07, Collin Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter This is implemented (I'll update the PEP to reflect this). Has a decision been made as to whether 2.6 will support both , and as in except statements? I think 'except as' should

Re: [Python-Dev] Wither PEP 335 (Overloadable Boolean Operators)?

2007-05-18 Thread Johan Dahlin
Guido van Rossum wrote: While reviewing PEPs, I stumbled over PEP 335 ( Overloadable Boolean Operators) by Greg Ewing. I am of two minds of this -- on the one hand, it's been a long time without any working code or anything. OTOH it might be quite useful to e.g. numpy folks. This kind of

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Collin Winter
On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/18/07, Collin Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter This is implemented (I'll update the PEP to reflect this). Has a decision been made as to whether 2.6 will support both ,

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 5/18/07, Collin Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/18/07, Collin Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter This is implemented (I'll update the PEP to reflect this). Has a

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I think it would be better to do content. URLs come to mind; without | something clickable, most commercial spam would be hamstrung. But | few bug reports and patches need to contain URLs, except for | specialized

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I think it would be better to do content. URLs come to mind; without | something clickable, most commercial spam would be hamstrung. But | few bug reports and

[Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Raymond Hettinger
Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: * New method (proposed by Shane Holloway): s1.isdisjoint(s2). Logically equivalent to not s1.intersection(s2) but has an early-out if a common member is found. The speed-up is potentially large given two big sets that may largely overlap or

Re: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Mike Klaas
On 18-May-07, at 6:34 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: * New method (proposed by Shane Holloway): s1.isdisjoint(s2). Logically equivalent to not s1.intersection(s2) but has an early- out if a common member is found. The speed-up is

Re: [Python-Dev] Wither PEP 335 (Overloadable Boolean Operators)?

2007-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy
Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | While reviewing PEPs, I stumbled over PEP 335 ( Overloadable Boolean | Operators) by Greg Ewing. I am of two minds of this -- on the one | hand, it's been a long time without any working code or anything. OTOH | it

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: Why not simply embargo any post with an off-site link? Tho there might have been some, I can't remember a single example of such at SF. Fine by me; if it doesn't happen often, then embargoing them would be fine. My occasional experience with distro reporting processes

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Aaron Brady
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:python- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Turnbull Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:10 AM To: python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues O.R.Senthil Kumaran writes: :-) My idea was, a human

Re: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Aahz
On Fri, May 18, 2007, Raymond Hettinger wrote: Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: * New method (proposed by Shane Holloway): s1.isdisjoint(s2). Logically equivalent to not s1.intersection(s2) but has an early-out if a common member is found. The speed-up is potentially large

Re: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Aaron Brady
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:python- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raymond Hettinger Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:35 PM To: python-dev@python.org Subject: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: * New