Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Nick Efford
Interesting to see discussion on supply and demand issues for Python programmers. You might be interested to learn that, after a few years of flirting with Python in various ways, the School of Computing at the University of Leeds has recently switched to teaching Python as the first and primary

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/24, Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: using C++ and Java (and often C), but as far as I know there is no Stanford course (at least not within Symbolic Systems) that focuses specifically and exclusively on Python (there IS one course, In my constant try-to-push-Python-everywhere-I-go, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Python tickets summary

2007-10-25 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/24, Ron Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Note that these items are *all* open. I think the page title should reflect this. Possible changing it from Python tickets to Python Open Tickets Good point! It's fixed now. Thank you! -- .Facundo Blog:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Anthony Roy
Interesting to see discussion on supply and demand issues for Python programmers. You might be interested to learn that, after a few years of flirting with Python in various ways, the School of Computing at the University of Leeds has recently switched to teaching Python as the first and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Kevin Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just to chime in from the other side of the coin. I'm actively trying to hire qualified scientific programmers with strong Python experience. Unfortunately, I've had little success finding candidates with actual Python knowledge, resorting mainly to hiring those who've seen it and can readily

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Anna Ravenscroft
I noticed at the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing that several major universities in the US are starting to offer intro (CS1) courses based on Python, among them: Georgia Tech CMU Bryn Mawr Some of them are using: Introduction-Computing-Programming-Multimedia-Approach So, it's

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Anna Ravenscroft
On Oct 25, 2007 7:59 AM, Anna Ravenscroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed at the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing that several major universities in the US are starting to offer intro (CS1) courses based on Python, among them: Georgia Tech CMU Bryn Mawr Some of them are

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-25 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 07:59:58AM -0700, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: - I noticed at the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing that - several major universities in the US are starting to offer intro (CS1) - courses based on Python, among them: - Georgia Tech - CMU - Bryn Mawr It's been

Re: [Python-Dev] Python tickets summary

2007-10-25 Thread Ron Adam
Facundo Batista wrote: 2007/10/24, Ron Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Note that these items are *all* open. I think the page title should reflect this. Possible changing it from Python tickets to Python Open Tickets Good point! It's fixed now. Thank you! Clicking on one

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Deadlock by a second import in a thread

2007-10-25 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/19, Adam Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Whether this is a minor problem due to poor style or a major problem due to a language defect is a matter of perspective. I'm working on redesigning Python's threading support, expecting it to be used a great deal more, which'd push it into the major

Re: [Python-Dev] Deadlock by a second import in a thread

2007-10-25 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/20, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: bb.py is broken - importing a module should never spawn a new thread as a side effect (precisely because it will deadlock if the spawned thread tries to do an import, which can happen in a myriad of ways). Exactly, :(. I changed timeobject.c to

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Deadlock by a second import in a thread

2007-10-25 Thread Christian Heimes
Facundo Batista wrote: It's a matter of perspective, yes. But I'll close this bug, because he's hitting the problem through a weird way, doing something that he shouldn't. The real problem here, if any, is that you can not make a second import in another thread. Feel free to open a bug for

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Deadlock by a second import in a thread

2007-10-25 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/25, Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I could look into the matter and provide a patch for the trunk. Feel free to do it. But note, that some imports are inside the call() function, this could have more implications that you see (at least I saw) at first glance. Regards, -- .

Re: [Python-Dev] Deadlock by a second import in a thread

2007-10-25 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/25, Facundo Batista [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BTW, I'll leave the optimization of importing strptime one time, there's no reason to try to import it everytime strptime() is called. No, I'm not. In consideration to the possible warning raised by Brett, I won't commit the change (it does not

Re: [Python-Dev] Does Python need a file locking module (slightly higher level)?

2007-10-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not clear that any of these implementations is going to be perfect. Maybe none ever will be. I would agree with this. You write a program and know you need to implement some kind of

Re: [Python-Dev] Does Python need a file locking module (slightly higher level)?

2007-10-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't think file locking will ever work over NFS, since it's a stateless protocol by design NFS is stateless, but the NFS locking protocol (NLM) is not. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org