Would anyone mind if I did add a public C API for gc.disable() and
gc.enable()? I would like to use it as an optimization for the pickle
module (I found out that I get a good 2x speedup just by disabling the
GC while loading large pickles). Of course, I could simply import the
gc module and call
Barry writes:
In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions in
the logging module.
3772 logging module fails with non-ascii data
Which according to the IRC discussion doesn't apply to py3k. The fix for
2.6 is quite trivial...
Cheers,
Mark
Barry In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions
Barry in the logging module.
Vinay apparently checked in some changes to the logging module with no
review. In the absence of obvious bug fixes there that should probably be
reverted.
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Related but tangential question that we were discussing on the
pygr[0] mailing list -- what is the official word on a scalable
object store in Python? We've been using bsddb, but is there an
alternative? And what if bsddb is removed?
Brett Beyond shelve there are no
Michele I do not use bsddb directly, but I use shelve which on Linux
Michele usually takes advantage of bsddb. Does removing bsddb mean that
Michele I will not be able to read shelve files written with Python 2.5
Michele with Python 3.0? That would be quite disturbing to me.
2008/9/4 Raymond Hettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Can I go ahead with some bug fixes and doc improvements
or should I wait until after Friday?
Doc improvements: go ahead.
Bug fixes: the patchs should be revised by other developer.
(I'll be hanging around in #python-dev today and tomorrow, btw,
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[Barry]
I'm not going to release rc1 tonight.
Can I go ahead with some bug fixes and doc improvements
or should I wait until after Friday?
Doc fixes are fine. Please have bug fix patches
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On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barry In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some
regressions
Barry in the logging module.
Vinay apparently checked in some changes to the logging module with no
review. In
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On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Facundo Batista wrote:
(I'll be hanging around in #python-dev today and tomorrow, btw, ping
me if I can help you)
Me too, though I'm a bit busy at work. Ping my nick 'barry' if you
need any RM-level decision.
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Brett Cannon wrote:
Related but tangential question that we were discussing on the pygr[0]
mailing list -- what is the official word on a scalable object store
in Python? We've been using bsddb, but is there an alternative? And
what if bsddb is
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Michele Simionato wrote:
I do not use bsddb directly, but I use shelve which on Linux usually
takes advantage of bsddb. Does removing bsddb mean that
I will not be able to read shelve files written with Python 2.5
with Python 3.0? That would be
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Brett Cannon wrote:
Also, the reason for removal may yet disappear
if jcrea steps in an continues to make updates.
OK, but none of his changes have received a code review, so if we are
going to go down the whole disciplined route about it being
Barry Or did he commit Mark's patch from bug 3772? If so, that would
Barry count as a reviewed patch.
The checkin message says issue 3726:
Author: vinay.sajip
Date: Wed Sep 3 11:20:05 2008
New Revision: 66180
Log:
Issue #3726: Allowed spaces in separators in
Raymond Hettinger wrote:
I think this should be deferred to Py3.1.
This decision was not widely discussed and I think it likely that some
users will
be surprised and dismayed. The release
candidate seems to be the wrong time to
yank this out (in part because of the surprise
factor) and in
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why not to setup HTTPS for anonymous read and authorized write
access? It is not that hard to do and will solve many problems with
proxies.
Because it requires setting up a certificate.
Certificate is already set.
$
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:48 AM, Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not need the whole branch - only a small subset of files related
to distutils. I know that bazaar can't do partial checkouts - it can
only fetch the whole branch. What about mercurial?
Mercurial can't do it either.
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 03:23:22PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
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- Brett Cannon wrote:
- Related but tangential question that we were discussing on the pygr[0]
- mailing list -- what is the official word on a scalable object store
- in Python?
At 6:10 AM -0500 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Related but tangential question that we were discussing on the
pygr[0] mailing list -- what is the official word on a scalable
object store in Python? We've been using bsddb, but is there an
alternative? And what if bsddb is
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 03:23:22PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
Compared to sqlite, you don't need to know SQL, you can finetuning (for
example, using ACI instead of ACID, deciding store by store), and you
can do replication and distributed transactions (useful, for example, if
your storage is
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:29:10AM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
- At 6:10 AM -0500 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Related but tangential question that we were discussing on the
- pygr[0] mailing list -- what is the official word on a scalable
- object store in Python? We've been
At 7:37 AM -0700 9/4/08, C. Titus Brown wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:29:10AM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
...
- Shipping an application to end users is a different problem. Such packages
- should include a private copy of Python as well as of any dependent
- libraries, as tested.
Why? On Mac
[C. Titus Brown]
I'm happy to be told that bsddb is too much of a maintenance burden for
Python 2.6/3.0 to have -- especially since it's gone from 3.0 now ;) --
but I don't think the arguments that *it won't matter that it's not
there* have been very credible.
Not credible, not widely
Hello,
2008/9/4 techtonik [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:48 AM, Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not need the whole branch - only a small subset of files related
to distutils. I know that bazaar can't do partial checkouts - it can
only fetch the whole branch. What
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:01:35AM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
- At 7:37 AM -0700 9/4/08, C. Titus Brown wrote:
- On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:29:10AM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote:
- ...
- - Shipping an application to end users is a different problem. Such
packages
- - should include a private copy of
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Nick Coghlan wrote:
While that will still be visible to some degree due to the presence of
the 2.x version of the bsddb code in Python 2.6, I don't think it will
be quite the same as it would have been with the 3.x version also being
readily
I don't think the convenience of batteries *included* should be
underestimated.
Yeah, but bsddb is one of those exploding batteries. I've used it for
years, and have had lots and lots of problems with it. Having SQLite
in there is great; now we need implementations of anydbm and shelve
which
I have to say I've never had problems with a stock install of Python on
either Mac OS X or Windows (shockingly enough :). I think this is good
I agree. I just use the stock Python on OS X and Windows. And it
seems to work well for my rather large and complicated (PIL, PyLucene,
Medusa,
I'm sorry this post is a bit off-topic, but I think I should correct
this.
On Sep 4, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Oleg wrote:
Durus (and ZODB) has an index of all objects, the index is stored in
memory AFAIK - a real problem if one has millions of objects.
Durus now has an option to store the index
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C. Titus Brown wrote:
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 03:23:22PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
- Brett Cannon wrote:
- Related but tangential question that we were discussing on the pygr[0]
- mailing list -- what is the official word on a scalable object
Compared to sqlite, you don't need to know SQL, you can finetuning
(for example, using ACI instead of ACID, deciding store by store), and
you can do replication and distributed transactions (useful, for
example, if your storage is bigger than a single machine capacity,
Doesn't SQLlite still have a 4gb cap?
I'd personally prefer an open source solution (if that's Berkeley so be it
but there's plenty out there... MySQL for one)
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never mind about the limit... I was thinking SQL Express
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jeff Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doesn't SQLlite still have a 4gb cap?
I'd personally prefer an open source solution (if that's Berkeley so be it
but there's plenty out there... MySQL for one)
--
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:07:23PM -0400, Jeff Hall wrote:
Doesn't SQLlite still have a 4gb cap?
http://sqlite.org/limits.html
Oleg.
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Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
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Oleg Broytmann wrote:
-- SQLite is public domain; the licensing terms of Berkeley DB[1] are not
friendly to commercial applications: Our open source license ...
permits use of Berkeley DB in open source projects or in applications
that
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:40:28PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
A stable fileformat is useful for long term support, but an evolving
format allows improvements.
Once I upgraded Python on a Windows computer... I think it was 2.2 to
2.3 upgrade - and all my bsddb databases stopped working. I cannot
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:25:43AM -0700, Bill Janssen wrote:
Yeah, but bsddb is one of those exploding batteries. I've used it for
years, and have had lots and lots of problems with it. Having SQLite
in there is great; now we need implementations of anydbm and shelve
which use it.
What
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:01:47PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
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- C. Titus Brown wrote:
- Since I/we want to distribute pygr to end-users, this is really not a
- pleasant prospect. Also often the installation of Python itself goes
- much more
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Jesus Cea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Brett Cannon wrote:
Also, the reason for removal may yet disappear
if jcrea steps in an continues to make updates.
OK, but none of his changes have received a code review, so if
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Oleg Broytmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SQLite is public domain; the licensing terms of Berkeley DB[1] are not
friendly to commercial applications: Our open source license ...
permits use of Berkeley DB in open source projects or in applications
that are not
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Compared to sqlite, you don't need to know SQL, you can finetuning
(for example, using ACI instead of ACID, deciding store by store), and
you can do replication and distributed transactions (useful, for
example, if
Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for 3.1 there is nothing saying we can't change shelve and the
dbm package to allow 3rd-party code to register with the dbm package
such that bsddb can be used as needed behind the scenes.
Many years ago I wrote toy hashes based on ZODB and MetaKit.
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Oleg Broytmann wrote:
Once I upgraded Python on a Windows computer... I think it was 2.2 to
2.3 upgrade - and all my bsddb databases stopped working. I cannot call
this improvement. I didn't have db_upgarde on that computer (or I didn't
know
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Oleg Broytmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for 3.1 there is nothing saying we can't change shelve and the
dbm package to allow 3rd-party code to register with the dbm package
such that bsddb can be used as needed behind the
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did you try to open your browser to (for example)
http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk/Lib/distutils/
and download the desired files from there?
Yes, but it's a waste of time. It is SVN that should be fixed unless
Eighteen months ago, Arvin Schnell contributed a really
straightforward three-line patch to Cookie.py adding support for the
HttpOnly flag on cookies:
http://bugs.python.org/issue1638033
In the last eighteen months, HttpOnly has become a de-facto extension
to the cookie standard. It is now
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release
blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn
through the bsddb removal on all
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Matt Chisholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eighteen months ago, Arvin Schnell contributed a really
straightforward three-line patch to Cookie.py adding support for the
HttpOnly flag on cookies:
http://bugs.python.org/issue1638033
In the last eighteen months,
With the 2.6 final release impending, the Twisted community buildbot is
still red, http://bit.ly/zFymN, but there only seems to be one real
issue: the warn_explicit change. This seems like it could be a pretty
minor bit of maintenance to clear up on our end, if Python provided the
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the 2.6 final release impending, the Twisted community buildbot is
still red, http://bit.ly/zFymN, but there only seems to be one real issue:
the warn_explicit change. This seems like it could be a pretty minor bit of
maintenance
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the 2.6 final release impending, the Twisted community buildbot is
still red, http://bit.ly/zFymN, but there only seems to be one real issue:
the warn_explicit change. This seems like it could be a pretty minor bit of
maintenance
On 10:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's why catch_warning keeps track of the warnings filter too, so
you can call warnings.simplefilter(always) within the context
manager and the filter state will be restored.
Thanks for the pointer - this is interesting. I misunderstood the way
the
On 10:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not hard to force an import of
warnings to use the pure Python version and totally ignore the C
implementation. See test_warnings on how to pull that off. Then you
can do your hack of overriding warn_explicit().
Benjamin Peterson's recommendation
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's why catch_warning keeps track of the warnings filter too, so
you can call warnings.simplefilter(always) within the context
manager and the filter state will be restored.
Thanks for the
One of the nice features of 3.0 is that differences between classes
defined in C and Python (other than speed) are mostly erased or hidden
from the view of a Python programmer.
However, there are still sometimes surprising and quite visible
differences between 'functions' written in C and
me I suggested in another message (perhaps on another thread) that
me maybe a dbm.sqlite module would be worth having.
http://bugs.python.org/issue3783
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Terry Reedy wrote:
One of the nice features of 3.0 is that differences between classes
defined in C and Python (other than speed) are mostly erased or hidden
from the view of a Python programmer.
However, there are still sometimes surprising and quite visible
differences between 'functions'
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release
blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn
through the bsddb removal on all
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
me I suggested in another message (perhaps on another thread) that
me maybe a dbm.sqlite module would be worth having.
http://bugs.python.org/issue3783
I did a similar thing today. I can post my version later today.
- Josiah
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