Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/11/17 Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python 2.6.1 should be ready on 03-Dec (well, if Python 3.0 is ready then!). 2.6.1 only two months after 2.6?

[Python-Dev] Issue 4195: Can't execute packages with -m in Python 2.6/3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
I need a release manager call on whether or not the proposed resolution of this issue goes beyond what is acceptable for a bug fix in 2.6.1. Short version: - Python 2.5 allowed packages to be executed with -m, but in a broken way - I disabled the broken way for 2.6, but didn't provide a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/11/17 Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python 2.6.1 should be ready on 03-Dec (well, if Python 3.0 is ready then!). 2.6.1

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Victor Stinner
Le Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:03:02 Facundo Batista, vous avez écrit : 2008/11/17 Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python 2.6.1 should be ready on

[Python-Dev] PyPI Submission Failing

2008-11-18 Thread Sidnei da Silva
I haven't seen anyone mention it on this list, and there was one message on distutils-sig but it seems to have gone ignored [1]. Uploading packages to PyPI seems to be failing since at least Saturday. I saw a mention somewhere [2] that it would be under maintenance around this date, so whatever

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:03 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/11/17 Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Christian Heimes
Barry Warsaw wrote: Actually, I've wanted to do timed releases, though I think monthly is unrealistic. Maybe every two months is about the right time frame. Timed releases are nice because everybody then knows when a patch is due, from developers to downstream consumers. From my point of

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 4195: Can't execute packages with -m in Python 2.6/3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
I think it crosses the line. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a release manager call on whether or not the proposed resolution of this issue goes beyond what is acceptable for a bug fix in 2.6.1. Short version: - Python 2.5 allowed packages to be

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI Submission Failing

2008-11-18 Thread skip
Sidnei I haven't seen anyone mention it on this list, and there was one Sidnei message on distutils-sig but it seems to have gone ignored [1]. I've passed your note along to the website maintainers. Thanks, -- Skip Montanaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://smontanaro.dyndns.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Barry Warsaw schrieb: On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that

[Python-Dev] bytearray methods returning self...

2008-11-18 Thread Dino Viehland
I've been implementing bytearray for IronPython and I noticed a couple of spots where the non-mutating methods of bytearray return self. In 2.6 but not in 3.0 RC2: x = bytearray(b'abc') y = x.replace(b'abc', b'bar', 0) id(x) == id(y) In 2.6 and in 3.0 RC2: t = bytearray() for i in range(256):

Re: [Python-Dev] bytearray methods returning self...

2008-11-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
Good catch, this is a bug IMO and we should fix it in 2.6.1 and 3.0rc3. Mind filing a bug so we can keep track of it? --Guido On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been implementing bytearray for IronPython and I noticed a couple of spots where the

[Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Brett Cannon
Can someone please add the attached SSH 2 DSA key for me? I want to be able to help out with the rc tomorrow while I am at work. -Brett id_dsa.pub Description: Binary data ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please add the attached SSH 2 DSA key for me? I want to be able to help out with the rc tomorrow while I am at work. It's probably best to send this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson There's

Re: [Python-Dev] bytearray methods returning self...

2008-11-18 Thread Dino Viehland
Sure, it's now bug 4348 - http://bugs.python.org/issue4348 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido van Rossum Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:14 PM To: Dino Viehland Cc: python-dev@python.org dev Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] bytearray

Re: [Python-Dev] bytearray methods returning self...

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Good catch, this is a bug IMO and we should fix it in 2.6.1 and 3.0rc3. Ah, a /real/ test of the time machine! Though you can avoid the risk of a rip in the time-space continuum by trying

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:23, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please add the attached SSH 2 DSA key for me? I want to be able to help out with the rc tomorrow while I am at work. It's probably best

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Eric Smith
Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:23, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please add the attached SSH 2 DSA key for me? I want to be able to help out with the rc tomorrow while I am at work.

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:23, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please add the attached SSH 2 DSA key for me? I want to be able

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:47, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:23, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brett Cannon wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:47, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:23, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
From my point of view bi-monthly release are too much. For a ?.?.1 release two months are fine because several issues are found by 3rd party authors. But after that a release every quarter is sufficient. * .1 release two months after the .0 release * .2, .3, .4 and .5 release every quarter

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI Submission Failing

2008-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Sidnei da Silva wrote: I haven't seen anyone mention it on this list, and there was one message on distutils-sig but it seems to have gone ignored [1]. Please report PyPI bugs to the PyPI bug tracker in the future, linked from each PyPI page. I personally don't read distutils-sig (but

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Adding a second key is similar to changing the keys. That said, I don't think python-committers existed when that FAQ entry was written. It's really up to the folks that can add new SSH keys as to which list is most convenient for them though. I had been trying to set up an email alias for

Re: [Python-Dev] SSH key for work

2008-11-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 15:40, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding a second key is similar to changing the keys. That said, I don't think python-committers existed when that FAQ entry was written. It's really up to the folks that can add new SSH keys as to which list is most

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Martin v. Löwis writes: While I'm happy that Barry has automated his part to a high degree, my part is, unfortunately, much less automated. I could personally automate the build process a bit more, but part of it is also testing of the installers, which is manual. Maybe you could

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Footnotes: [1] Doesn't Windows have a way to send synthetic GUI events to a program? There ought to be a way to really script that, as the Python installer process presumbly doesn't change much from release to

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
While I'm happy that Barry has automated his part to a high degree, my part is, unfortunately, much less automated. I could personally automate the build process a bit more, but part of it is also testing of the installers, which is manual. Maybe you could delegate a lot of the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Martin v. Löwis writes: That's not the issue - I don't mind spending that time. However, it means that several hours pass between starting the release process, and making the binaries available - during this time, users always complain why the Windows binaries are not released yet. For