David Cournapeau writes:
Er, what are people without access to PPAs doing building Python from
a VCS checkout?
I don't see the link between access to PPA and building Python from
sources.
I didn't say from source, I said from a VCS checkout. If using a
*specific* recent official
On 21-02-2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Summary:
Google Docs is easy to use, featureful, and here now. Since AIUI the
PEPs eventually need to be hosted at python.org, I see Google Docs as
an immediate replacement for email transmission of early drafts of
PEPs, not as a permanent solution
I didn't say from source, I said from a VCS checkout. If using a
*specific* recent official release of a core tool is bureaucratically
infeasible, it would IMO be very unusual if you're allowed to checkout
and build arbitrary versions of Python, rather than using a version
provided by your
-On [20090220 18:51], Guido van Rossum (gu...@python.org) wrote:
I still don't like wikis for this purpose very much -- a person
editing effectively grabs a lock on the whole file.
Imagine a Wiki with a cross-polination of Etherpad [1], that would resolve
that complaint.
[1] http://etherpad.com/
Hi!
I am the lead developer of SimPy (http://simpy.sourceforge.net) . Currently, I
am porting SimPy to Python 3.
SimPy provides Tk/Tkinter-based GUI and plot facilities.
I find that import Tkinter does not work in Python 3, only import tkinter.
What are the changes for Tkinter under Python 3?
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Klaus Müller kgmul...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Hi!
I am the lead developer of SimPy (http://simpy.sourceforge.net) . Currently,
I am porting SimPy to Python 3.
SimPy provides Tk/Tkinter-based GUI and plot facilities.
I find that import Tkinter does not work in
Hi Klaus,
Tkinter was renamed as part of the stdlib reorganization (see the PEP
3108 :http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3108/#tkinter-packagefor more
details).
The 2to3 tool should handle all those changes automatically, by the way.
Cheers,
Quentin
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Klaus
Martin v. Löwis writes:
sjt sez:
I didn't say from source, I said from a VCS checkout. If using a
*specific* recent official release of a core tool is bureaucratically
infeasible, it would IMO be very unusual if you're allowed to checkout
and build arbitrary versions of Python,
2009/2/21 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org:
Besides, if Barry makes this experiment *now* and enough people speak
up that it will make it difficult for them to contribute to Python,
the Bazaar proponents can revert to an older version of Bazaar before
a final decision is made.
In
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 at 01:12, Jeff Hall wrote:
Not that I'm expecting to be working on PEPs any time soon, but just as a
different perspective, I would find the effort to open up Google docs to
be a much higher barrier to doing some editing tweaks than the dvcs case.
For the DVCS, I'd just write
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 6:25 AM, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 at 01:12, Jeff Hall wrote:
Not that I'm expecting to be working on PEPs any time soon, but just as a
different perspective, I would find the effort to open up Google docs to
be a much higher barrier to doing
You're ignoring the second paragraph quoted above. I'm *not* denying
that such environments are common. The question is Do developers
*restricted to such environments* really have an impact on Python
development to outweigh the real cost of standardizing on an older
implementation of Bazaar
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:45:26 -0800, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:53, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:37, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:31, Daniel
On 21-02-2009, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 6:25 AM, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 at 01:12, Jeff Hall wrote:
Not that I'm expecting to be working on PEPs any time soon, but just as a
different perspective, I would find the effort to open up Google docs
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Martin v. Löwis wrote:
I didn't say from source, I said from a VCS checkout. If using a
*specific* recent official release of a core tool is bureaucratically
infeasible, it would IMO be very unusual if you're allowed to checkout
and build
Wouldn't such hypothetical core Python developers be able to build and
run their own local copy of bzr, using that self-compiled Python?
It has been hypothetical for a while, but it never was about core
developers.
Regards,
Martin
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:17, Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.comwrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:45:26 -0800, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:53, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:37,
On 07:07 pm, br...@python.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:17, Jean-Paul Calderone
exar...@divmod.comwrote:
But there is another issue with this: the pure Python code will never
call
the extension code because the globals will be bound to _pypickle and
not
_pickle. So if you have
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:07:07 -0800, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:17, Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.comwrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:45:26 -0800, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:53, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote:
On
I'm *not* ignoring them; I'm stating a strong belief that the great
majority of them will not be adversely affected by this change. Since
almost by definition they're not likely to speak up very much, I'm
happy to hear arguments from a qualified observer (such as yourself)
on their behalf.
Stephen J. Turnbull stephen at xemacs.org writes:
Whether it is depends on when a DVCS gets selected. If it gets selected
after lenny+1 has been released, I see no problem with requiring version
1.12 (or whatever lenny+1 will then ship with).
I really hope we won't have to wait
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Besides, if Barry makes this experiment *now* and enough people speak
up that it will make it difficult for them to contribute to Python,
the Bazaar proponents can revert to an older version
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 4:57 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
There is no problem with people building their own versions of Python,
though - they do so in their home directories, and OS security
mechanisms prevent them from doing harm to other users.
As
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I think no matter what DVCS gets chosen
Isn't that getting ahead of the game? I thought that the choice whether or
not a DVCS gets chosen is part of that PEP?
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Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org / asmodai
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On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
(1) and (2) are obvious, I think, and I don't know how much (3) really
matters when the editors are a small group. But I was surprised by
how much (4), and (5) contributed to my experience
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
-On [20090221 21:30], Barry Warsaw (ba...@python.org) wrote:
I think no matter what DVCS gets chosen
Isn't that getting ahead of the game? I thought that the choice
whether
2009/2/21 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
Wouldn't such hypothetical core Python developers be able to build and
run their own local copy of bzr, using that self-compiled Python?
It has been hypothetical for a while, but it never was about core
developers.
Given that it *is* all
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:43, gl...@divmod.com wrote:
On 07:07 pm, br...@python.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:17, Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.com
wrote:
But there is another issue with this: the pure Python code will never call
the extension code because the globals will
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:32, Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.comwrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:07:07 -0800, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:17, Jean-Paul Calderone exar...@divmod.com
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:45:26 -0800, Brett Cannon
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
PS Just for my own information, am I correct in thinking that it is
*only* Bazaar in the (D)VCS world that has this problem, to any real
extent? I know old Mercurial clients can interact with newer servers
(ie, the wire
Brett Cannon wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:43, gl...@divmod.com
mailto:gl...@divmod.com wrote:
On 07:07 pm, br...@python.org mailto:br...@python.org wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:17, Jean-Paul Calderone
exar...@divmod.com mailto:exar...@divmod.comwrote:
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
PS Just for my own information, am I correct in thinking that it is
*only* Bazaar in the (D)VCS world that has this problem, to any real
extent? I know old Mercurial clients can interact with newer
2009/2/21 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org:
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
PS Just for my own information, am I correct in thinking that it is
*only* Bazaar in the (D)VCS world that has this problem, to any real
extent? I know old
I notice code.interact() in Python 2.6 has a parameter for locals but not
globals. Should it?
Ultimately, *exec* is used underneath so I don't see a technical reason why
it couldn't add a global parameter. Also, although one could pass in a
dictionary that is the merger or update() of locals()
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote:
I am seeing two approaches emerging. One is where pickle contains all
Python code and then uses something like use_extension to make sure
the original Python objects are still reachable at some point. This
has the drawback that you have to use some
So go ahead and tear this apart so that we can hopefully reach a
consensus that makes sense so that at least testing can easily be
done.
If I was developing an application and wanted to deal with two
different versions of the same library, I would simply make sure that
the version I
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 15:46, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote:
I am seeing two approaches emerging. One is where pickle contains all
Python code and then uses something like use_extension to make sure
the original Python objects are still
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 15:20, Rocky Bernstein ro...@gnu.org wrote:
I notice code.interact() in Python 2.6 has a parameter for locals but not
globals. Should it?
What is code.interact()?::
(lambda: None).__code__.interact
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1,
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2009/2/21 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org:
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
PS Just for my own information, am I correct in thinking that it is
*only* Bazaar in the
Steven Bethard wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
PS Just for my own information, am I correct in thinking that it is
*only* Bazaar in the (D)VCS world that has this problem, to any real
extent? I know old Mercurial clients can interact with newer
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Martin v. Löwis writes:
sjt sez:
I didn't say from source, I said from a VCS checkout. If using a
*specific* recent official release of a core tool is bureaucratically
infeasible, it would IMO be very
This has been true for a number of cases over the years: whether the
repostiory format, or the wire protocol, sometimes changes which
materially *improve* the user's experience may require upgrading the
client on the user's machine. In the case of SVN, upgrading to 1.5 gets
vastly better
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 15:46, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote:
I am seeing two approaches emerging. One is where pickle contains all
Python code and then uses something like use_extension to make sure
the
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