Re: [Python-Dev] Non-Core project: IDLE

2009-03-29 Thread Mark Summerfield
On 2009-03-25, Guilherme Polo wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Mark Summerfield l...@qtrac.plus.com wrote: On 2009-03-23, Guilherme Polo wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: Guilherme Polo wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Terry Reedy

Re: [Python-Dev] bdist_linux (was: setuptools has divided the Python community)

2009-03-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I think that each OS community should maintain its own tool, that complies to the OS standard (wich has its own evolution cycle) Of course this will be possible as long as Distutils let the system packager find/change the metadata in an easy way. In the specific case of RPMs, I still think

Re: [Python-Dev] bdist_linux (was: setuptools has divided the Python community)

2009-03-29 Thread David Cournapeau
2009/3/29 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de: I think that each OS community should maintain its own tool, that complies to the OS standard (wich has its own evolution cycle) Of course this will be possible as long as Distutils let the system packager find/change the metadata in an easy way.

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

2009-03-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: Lennart Regebro regebro at gmail.com writes: The people who use pythonlibraries are programmers. It can be expected that they are comfortable with the command line. You probably haven't met lots of Windows (so-called) programmers... Hey, the (so-called)

Re: [Python-Dev] Are buffer overflows in modules deleted in py3k ignorable?

2009-03-29 Thread Gregory P. Smith
It'd be worthy of fixing in 2.6 since the module exists. Though honestly... who cares about Irix? On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.comwrote: I'm reviewing http://bugs.python.org/issue2591, which is marked as 'security' because it is a potential buffer

Re: [Python-Dev] bdist_linux

2009-03-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Maybe I don't understand what is meant by metadata, but I don't understand why we can't provide the same metadata as autotools Likewise, *this* I do not understand. In what way does autotools *provide* metadata? I can understand that it *uses* certain metadata, but it doesn't *provide*

Re: [Python-Dev] bdist_linux

2009-03-29 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Maybe I don't understand what is meant by metadata, but I don't understand why we can't provide the same metadata as autotools Likewise, *this* I do not understand. In what way does autotools *provide* metadata? I

Re: [Python-Dev] Are buffer overflows in modules deleted in py3k ignorable?

2009-03-29 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 at 08:35, Gregory P. Smith wrote: It'd be worthy of fixing in 2.6 since the module exists. Though honestly... who cares about Irix? Guido commented on the ticket and closed it, so I closed the other two like it. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com

[Python-Dev] pyc files, constant folding and borderline portability issues

2009-03-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hello, There are a couple of ancillary portability concerns due to optimizations which store system-dependent results of operations between constants in pyc files: - Issue #5057: code like '\U00012345'[0] is optimized away and its result stored as a constant in the pyc file, but the result

Re: [Python-Dev] pyc files, constant folding and borderline portability issues

2009-03-29 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: There are a couple of ancillary portability concerns due to optimizations which store system-dependent results of operations between constants in pyc files: - Issue #5057: code like '\U00012345'[0] is optimized away

[Python-Dev] python core project

2009-03-29 Thread garg vikas
    hi everybody , i am going to do the project  on nose compatibility with core-python testing infrastructure. so i have written the abstract for this project if someone want to mentor this project plesae contact me ? Core Python Testing Infrastructure | Nose

[Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
I've heard some good things about cmake — LLVM, googletest, and Boost are all looking at switching to it — so I wanted to see if we could simplify our autoconf+makefile system by using it. The biggest wins I see from going to cmake are: 1. It can autogenerate the Visual Studio project files

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Aahz
Nice report! Thanks! -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. --Brian W.

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Jeffrey Yasskin jyasskin at gmail.com writes: The other popular configure+make replacement is scons. I can only give uninformed information (!) here, but in one company I worked with, the main project decided to switch from scons to cmake due to some huge performance problems in scons. This

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread David Cournapeau
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Jeffrey Yasskin jyasskin at gmail.com writes: The other popular configure+make replacement is scons. I can only give uninformed information (!) here, but in one company I worked with, the main project decided to

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
David Cournapeau cournape at gmail.com writes: I would think the bootstrap problem to be much more significant. I don't find the argument many desktop have already python very convincing - what if you can't install it, for example ? I agree. I had to build Python once on a corporate AIX box

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread David Cournapeau
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: What are the compilation requirements for cmake itself? Does it only need a standard C compiler and library, or are there other dependencies? CMake is written in C++. IIRC, that's the only dependency. cheers, David

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote: About cmake: I haven't looked at it recently, but I have a bit of hard time believing python requires more from a build system than KDE. The lack of autoheader is not accurate, if only because kde projects have it:

Re: [Python-Dev] Test failures under Windows?

2009-03-29 Thread David Bolen
David Bolen db3l@gmail.com writes: From what I can see though, the tools/buildbot/test.bat file no longer adds the -n option that it used to, although I'm unclear on why it might have been removed. Perhaps this was just a regression that was accidentally missed, as it appears to have

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.2

2009-03-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to release Python 2.6.2 the week after the conference. I've talked to a few people here about it and the general consensus is that we do one brown-paper-bag-avoiding release candidate first. Looking at the calendar, I propose the

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Neil Hodgson
Jeffrey Yasskin:  1. It can autogenerate the Visual Studio project files instead of needing them to be maintained separately I have looked at a couple of build tools (scons was probably one) that generate Visual Studio project files in the past and they produced fairly poor project files,

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Christian Heimes
Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: 1. It can autogenerate the Visual Studio project files instead of needing them to be maintained separately I'm familiar with the Unix and the Windows build system. More than a year ago I went to a great deal of work to migrate the Windows builds from VS 7.1 to VS 9.0.

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20090329 19:21], Jeffrey Yasskin (jyass...@gmail.com) wrote: However, Brett Cannon and I talked, and we think this is surmountable. First, nearly every desktop system comes with a Python interpreter, which would avoid the bootstrap for ordinary development. This is quite a major assumption