Ian Bicking writes:
Just for perspective, I don't know if I've ever wanted to deal with a URL
like that.
Ditto, I do many times a day for Japanese media sites and Wikipedia.
I know how it is supposed to work, and I know what a browser does
with that, but so many tools will clean that
On 22 Jun, 2010, at 19:05, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Ronald Oussoren
ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
..
Both are valid fixes, both have both advantages and disadvantages.
Your proposal:
* Reverts to the behavior in 2.6
* Ensures that posix.getgroups and
James Y Knight writes:
The surrogateescape method is a nice workaround for this, but I can't
help thinking that it might've been better to just treat stuff as
possibly-invalid-but-probably-utf8 byte-strings from input, through
processing, to output.
This is the world we already
Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:09 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
It would be great if we could have something like the above as
builtin method:
x.split(''.as(x))
As per my other message, another possible (and reasonably intuitive)
spelling would be:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote:
Note that the point of using a builtin method was to get
better performance. Such type adaptions are often needed in
loops, so adding a few extra Python function calls just to
convert a str object to a bytes object or
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:12:36 pm Cesare Di Mauro wrote:
I've released WPython 1.1, which brings many optimizations and
refactorings.
For those of us who don't know what WPython is, and are too lazy, too
busy, or reading their email off-line, could you give us a one short
paragraph description
2010/6/23 Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:12:36 pm Cesare Di Mauro wrote:
I've released WPython 1.1, which brings many optimizations and
refactorings.
For those of us who don't know what WPython is, and are too lazy, too
busy, or reading their email off-line,
Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Any turdiness (which I am *not* arguing for) is a natural consequence
of the kinds of backward incompatibilities which were *not* ruled out
for Python 3, along with the (early, now waning) build
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
..
I don't agree. The patch itself is pretty simple, but it does make a rather
significant change to the build process: the
compile-time environment in configure would be different than during the
compilation of
At 08:34 PM 6/22/2010 -0400, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:
I suspect the practical problem here is that there's no CharacterString ABC
That, and the absence of a string coercion protocol so that mixing
your custom string with standard strings will do the right thing for
your intended use.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
..
* [Ronald's proposal] results in posix.getgroups not reflecting results of
posix.setgroups
This effectively substitutes getgrouplist called on the current user
for getgroups. In 3.x, I believe the correct
On 23 Jun, 2010,at 04:06 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
..
I don't agree. The patch itself is pretty simple, but it does make a rather significant change to the build process: the
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Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
We do need str-based implementations of modules like urllib.
Why would that be? URLs aren't text, and never will be. The fact that
to the eye they may seem to be text-ish doesn't make them text. This
*is* a case where
In my previous post, I forgot to include the link to the tracker issue
where this problem is being worked on.
http://bugs.python.org/issue7900
I'll repost my message there as an issue comment, so that a more
detailed technical discussion can continue there.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
We do need str-based implementations of modules like urllib.
Why would that be? URLs aren't text, and never will be. The fact that
to the eye they may seem to be text-ish doesn't make them
http://bugs.python.org/issue9061
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Bill Janssen jans...@parc.com wrote:
Craig Younkins cyounk...@gmail.com wrote:
cgi.escape never escapes single quote characters, which can easily lead
to a
Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) vulnerability. This seems to be known by
On Jun 23, 2010, at 08:43 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
So I propose that we drop the discussion are URLs text or bytes and
try to find something more pragmatic to discuss.
email has exactly the same question, and the answer is yes. wink
For example: how we can make the suite of functions used
Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
We do need str-based implementations of modules like urllib.
Why would that be? URLs aren't text, and never will be. The fact that
to the eye they may seem to be text-ish doesn't make them text. This
URLs are exactly
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
We do need str-based implementations of modules like urllib.
Why would that be? URLs aren't text, and never will be. The fact that
to the eye they may seem to be text-ish doesn't make
Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
So I propose that we drop the discussion are URLs text or bytes and
try to find something more pragmatic to discuss.
For example: how we can make the suite of functions used for URL
processing more polymorphic, so that each developer can choose for
Oops, I forgot some important quoting (important for the algorithm,
maybe not actually for the discussion)...
from urllib.parse import urlsplit, urlunsplit
import encodings.idna
# urllib.parse.quote both always returns str, and is not as
conservative in quoting as required here...
def
On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Robert Collins wrote:
bzr has a cache of decoded strings in it precisely because decode is
slow. We accept slowness encoding to the users locale because thats
typically much less data to examine than we've examined while
generating the commit/diff/whatever. We
On 6/23/2010 7:28 AM, Cesare Di Mauro wrote:
sorry, I made a mistake, assuming that the project was known.
A common mistake of people who announce their projects ;-)
Someone recently make the same mistake on python-list with respect to a
'BDD' package (the Wikipedia suggests about 6 possible
2010/6/23 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
On 6/23/2010 7:28 AM, Cesare Di Mauro wrote:
WPython is a CPython 2.6.4 implementation that uses wordcodes instead
of bytecodes. A wordcode is a word (16 bits, two bytes, in this case)
I suggest you specify the base version (2.6.4) on the project page
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Bill Janssen wrote:
The bigger problem seems to be that we're revisiting the design
discussion about urllib.parse from the summer of 2008. See
http://bugs.python.org/issue3300 if you want to recall how we hashed
this out 2 years ago. I didn't
The problem that _DARWIN_C_SOURCE introduces is that it replaces
system getgroups with a database query effectively making the true
process' list of supplementary group IDs inaccessible to programs.
See source code at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/Libc/Libc-594.1.4/sys/getgroups.c.
If
On Jun 23, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Any turdiness (which I am *not* arguing for) is a natural consequence
of the kinds of backward incompatibilities which were *not* ruled out
for
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Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:
I don't speak for Tres, but I don't think he wasn't talking about
optimism about *adoption*, overall, but optimism about adoption
*rates*. And I don't think he was talking about it coming from Guido
:).
You channel me
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:23:33 -0400
Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
Perhaps such decisions need revisiting in light of subsequent experience
/ pain / learning. E.g:
- - the repeated inability of the web-sig to converge on appropriate
semantics for a Python3-compatible version of
On 23 Jun, 2010, at 16:48, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com
wrote:
..
* [Ronald's proposal] results in posix.getgroups not reflecting results of
posix.setgroups
This effectively substitutes getgrouplist called on
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 09:36:45PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:23:33 -0400
Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
- - the slow adoption / porting rate of major web frameworks and libraries
to Python 3.
Some of the major web frameworks and libraries have a ton
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:30:22 -0400
Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
Note that this assumption seems optimistic to me. I started talking to Graham
Dumpleton, author of mod_wsgi a couple years back because mod_wsgi and paste
do decoding of bytes to unicode at different layers which
Hi,
I've compiled intel's OSS threadedbuidlingblocks library on OpenBSD
and put everything in some swig interfaces.
Here you go: http://tullarisc.xtreemhost.com/swig.ttb.tgz
Love, tullarisc.
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 09:36:45PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
I don't think you can't claim, though, that Python 3 makes things
significantly harder for these frameworks. The proof is that many of
them already give the user unicode strings in Python 2.x. They must
have somehow got the
I finally realized why clang has not been silencing its warnings about
unused return values: I have -Wno-unused-value set in CFLAGS which
comes before OPT (which defines -Wall) as set in PY_CFLAGS in
Makefile.pre.in.
I could obviously set OPT in my environment, but that would override
the default
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:35:12PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:30:22 -0400
Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
Note that this assumption seems optimistic to me. I started talking to
Graham
Dumpleton, author of mod_wsgi a couple years back because mod_wsgi
On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Craig Younkins wrote:
I suggest rewording the documentation for the method making it more
clear what it should and should not be used for. I would like to see
the method changed to properly escape single-quotes, but if it is
not changed, the documentation
See also http://gimper.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=3185.
Bill
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