Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 8 April 2014 18:32, cjw fn...@ncf.ca wrote: Guido, I am sorry to read this. I shall be responding more completely in a day or two. In my view, @ and @@ are completely redundant. Both operations are already provided, * and **, in numpy.matrix. PEP 465 provides no clear indication as

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread Robert Kern
On 2014-04-09 12:12, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 8 April 2014 18:32, cjw fn...@ncf.ca wrote: Guido, I am sorry to read this. I shall be responding more completely in a day or two. In my view, @ and @@ are completely redundant. Both operations are already provided, * and **, in numpy.matrix.

Re: [Python-Dev] issue with itertools leads the crash

2014-04-09 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 08/04/2014 17:30, MRAB wrote: On 2014-04-08 16:31, Brett Cannon wrote: Something for Python 3.5, maybe? :-) It's not going to happen in Python 2.7; that's the end of the Python 2 series, and it's getting security fixes only. According to http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373/ the

[Python-Dev] A Friendly IDLE

2014-04-09 Thread adnanumer95
Greeting Everyone. First of all I want to introduce my self Adnan Umer as a student of bachelors in Information Technology. I’ve few suggestions on improving IDLE. Here are few: On windows we can open any python file from context menu because IDLE is not a application. I recommends to create

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On 9 Apr 2014 12:34, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-04-09 12:12, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 8 April 2014 18:32, cjw fn...@ncf.ca wrote: Guido, I am sorry to read this. I shall be responding more completely in a day or two. In my view, @ and @@ are completely redundant.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread Björn Lindqvist
2014-04-08 14:52 GMT+02:00 Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Björn Lindqvist bjou...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-07 3:41 GMT+02:00 Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com: So, I guess as far as I'm concerned, this is ready to go. Feedback welcome:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/8/2014 6:32 PM, cjw wrote: Larry Hastings https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2014-April/133818.html wasn't far from the truth. Larry's note was about adding (redundant) *NON-ascii* unicode symbols, in particular × == \xd7, as in A × B, as a synonym for '@'. Various people have

Re: [Python-Dev] A Friendly IDLE

2014-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 21:25, adnanume...@gmail.com wrote: Greeting Everyone. First of all I want to introduce my self Adnan Umer as a student of bachelors in Information Technology. I’ve few suggestions on improving IDLE. Here are few: On windows we can open any python file from

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Björn Lindqvist bjou...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-08 14:52 GMT+02:00 Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Björn Lindqvist bjou...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-07 3:41 GMT+02:00 Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com: So, I guess as far as I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

2014-04-09 Thread cjw
Guido, I am sorry to read this. I shall be responding more completely in a day or two. In my view, @ and @@ are completely redundant. Both operations are already provided, * and **, in numpy.matrix. PEP 465 provides no clear indication as to how

Re: [Python-Dev] issue with itertools leads the crash

2014-04-09 Thread MRAB
On 2014-04-09 14:26, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 08/04/2014 17:30, MRAB wrote: On 2014-04-08 16:31, Brett Cannon wrote: Something for Python 3.5, maybe? :-) It's not going to happen in Python 2.7; that's the end of the Python 2 series, and it's getting security fixes only. According to

Re: [Python-Dev] issue with itertools leads the crash

2014-04-09 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
2015!?!? I was hoping it was a tad further off...the PyPy team is going to have to start freaking out in about 12 months. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: On 08/04/2014 17:30, MRAB wrote: On 2014-04-08 16:31, Brett Cannon wrote: Something for

Re: [Python-Dev] issue with itertools leads the crash

2014-04-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:53 PM, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: On 2014-04-09 14:26, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 08/04/2014 17:30, MRAB wrote: On 2014-04-08 16:31, Brett Cannon wrote: Something for Python 3.5, maybe? :-) It's not going to happen in Python 2.7; that's the end of the

Re: [Python-Dev] A Friendly IDLE

2014-04-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/9/2014 12:25 AM, adnanume...@gmail.com wrote: Greeting Everyone. First of all I want to introduce my self Adnan Umer as a student of bachelors in Information Technology. I’ve few suggestions on improving IDLE. Here are few: Python-list, python-ideas, or idle-dev lists might have been

Re: [Python-Dev] issue with itertools leads the crash

2014-04-09 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 02:40:21PM -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Of course, this raises the question of whether making slice assignment not go into an infinite loop when the programmer asks it to is a bugfix or a new feature. Definitely a new feature. Calling:

[Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

2014-04-09 Thread Guido van Rossum
To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would be good to have some kind of (informal!) as soon as possible, before we collectively forget. You won't be held responsible for correctness. Here are

[Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
This email is to share idea that has been bouncing around in my head for a while about 2.7 releases. Guido's last email containing notes from the language summit made me think it's time to propose it. We'll keep doing what we're currently doing for another year, making normal bug fix releases

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Guido van Rossum
I think this is pretty much what Nick Coghlan implied at the summit. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: This email is to share idea that has been bouncing around in my head for a while about 2.7 releases. Guido's last email containing notes from the

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:31, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think this is pretty much what Nick Coghlan implied at the summit. He implied that it's currently the plan or that it should be the plan? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: Planning-on-making-2.7-releases-'til-the-cows-come-home-ly yours, Past 2.7.9, will you make 2.7.10 etc, or does that violate other policies? What will a lack of provided installers do to Windows support? It's easy

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: Instead dealing 2.7 will just be completely optional for core developers. (The much anticipated vendor support arrives at this point.) Could you clarify your thoughts a bit on the completely optional part. What if

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:43, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: Planning-on-making-2.7-releases-'til-the-cows-come-home-ly yours, Past 2.7.9, will you make 2.7.10 etc, or does that violate other policies? I'm not aware

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:46, Senthil Kumaran wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: Instead dealing 2.7 will just be completely optional for core developers. (The much anticipated vendor support arrives at this point.) Could you clarify

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:31, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think this is pretty much what Nick Coghlan implied at the summit. He implied that it's currently the plan or that it should be the plan? As you might

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: I consider the security enhancement/feature question to be in the domain of PEP 466. If security stuff lands in the 2.7 branch, it will get released eventually is all I'm saying. Thanks for the response. Instead

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:31, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think this is pretty much what Nick Coghlan implied at the summit. He implied that it's currently the plan or that it should be the plan? As you might

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 19:09, Senthil Kumaran wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Benjamin Peterson Instead dealing 2.7 will just be completely optional for core developers I was worried about this part, that if bug-fixes are optionally back-ported, then we may end up a inconsistent,

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:43, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: Planning-on-making-2.7-releases-'til-the-cows-come-home-ly yours, Past

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:43, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: Planning-on-making-2.7-releases-'til-the-cows-come-home-ly yours, Past

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

2014-04-09 Thread Senthil Kumaran
Here are my notes that I jotted down from the back row. Forgive me for any mistakes. (As I shared in the intro, I am trying to get back and keep up. :)) Python Release Process: * Larry Hastings goes for vote for shortend release process. But Guido does not seem to be excited about it.

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Ned Deily
In article cap7+vjlvrqfhefshn+i3mrahetvza_poh9oulmhyav6pbnw...@mail.gmail.com, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: It's not that I don't think Windows installers are important, but rather that Martin has

Re: [Python-Dev] death to 2.7; long live 2.7

2014-04-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 9 Apr 2014 22:11, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014, at 18:31, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think this is pretty much what Nick Coghlan implied at the summit. He implied that it's

[Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Guido van Rossum writes: - We should make an effort to publicize that we're NOT sunsetting Python 2.7 just yet; Maybe just add Windows XP to the SEO keywords for that page? Like *today* would be perfect timing.wink/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

2014-04-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On Apr 9, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Senthil Kumaran sent...@uthcode.com wrote: Mentioned about https://pypi-preview.a.ssl.fastly.net/ For what it’s worth, https://warehouse.python.org/ is a somewhat easier to remember demo url for that :] - Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA //