Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
2017-02-22 23:53 GMT+01:00 Serhiy Storchaka : > Some changes can be related to a couple of modules. I suggest to repeat either repeat the change in each module section, or put the change in a general section. The tool should support a list of modules. Victor

[Python-Dev] Report on Python vulnerabilities

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, I created a tool to generate a report on Python vulnerabilities: http://python-security.readthedocs.io/vulnerabilities.html I collected data of 41 vulnerabilities since 2007 (first Python CVE: CVE-2007-4965). If you would like to add data of a new vulnerability, enhance the report, ...

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2/22/2017 5:53 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: On 22.02.17 22:59, Victor Stinner wrote: While we are talking about changing things... I would propose to require to specify a module name if a change is in the Library section, and then maybe even group changes per module. Some changes can be

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2/22/2017 3:59 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: 2017-02-22 17:42 GMT+01:00 Barry Warsaw : Our release notes have different sections: * Core and Builtins * Extension Modules * Library * IDLE * Windows * C API * Documentation * Build * Tools/Demos * Tests (others?) While we

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
On 22.02.17 22:59, Victor Stinner wrote: While we are talking about changing things... I would propose to require to specify a module name if a change is in the Library section, and then maybe even group changes per module. Some changes can be related to a couple of modules.

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Ned Deily
On Feb 22, 2017, at 07:27, Victor Stinner wrote: > [...]My idea is not new, it's already discussed in the Python core-workflow: > https://github.com/python/core-workflow/issues/6 > > I'm opening a thread on python-dev because Misc/NEWS quickly became a > blocker issue

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
2017-02-22 19:04 GMT+01:00 Serhiy Storchaka : > What percent of lines is changed between bugfix releases? Feature releases? > > My largest apprehension is that the documentation can be outdated and > quickly become degraded if main contributors left it. If the original text

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
2017-02-22 17:42 GMT+01:00 Barry Warsaw : > Our release notes have different sections: > > * Core and Builtins > * Extension Modules > * Library > * Windows > * C API > * Documentation > * Build > * Tools/Demos > * Tests > (others?) While we are talking about changing things...

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Facundo Batista
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > My largest apprehension is that the documentation can be outdated and > quickly become degraded if main contributors left it. This is why we focus in the Tutorial only, but also: a) The tutorial is mostly the

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Barry Warsaw's message of 2017-02-22 11:42:57 -0500: > On Feb 22, 2017, at 01:27 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > >OpenStack happily fixed this issue one or two years ago with "reno": > >https://pypi.python.org/pypi/reno > > reno looks interesting but there is at least one thing I

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
On 22.02.17 18:15, Victor Stinner wrote: 2017-02-22 16:40 GMT+01:00 Antoine Pitrou : As long as you are asking for "moral" support and not actually vouching for the accuracy of third-party translations, then +1 from me. The main complain about these translations is the

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Facundo Batista
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > There are a least 3 groups of people who are translating the Python > documentation in their mother language (french, japanese, spanish). We translated (and even printed/published) the Tutorial (we're currently

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 22, 2017, at 01:27 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >OpenStack happily fixed this issue one or two years ago with "reno": >https://pypi.python.org/pypi/reno reno looks interesting but there is at least one thing I think would need changing for us. Aside: I'm not super psyched about its

Re: [Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Eric V. Smith
On 2/22/17 7:27 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: OpenStack happily fixed this issue one or two years ago with "reno": https://pypi.python.org/pypi/reno It's a simple tool building a changelog from a list of files: each file describe a change of a commit. The filename is the commit identifier. Simple,

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
2017-02-22 16:40 GMT+01:00 Antoine Pitrou : > As long as you are asking for "moral" support and not actually > vouching for the accuracy of third-party translations, then +1 from me. The main complain about these translations is the accuracy. My bet is that making these

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi Victor, On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:10:17 +0100 Victor Stinner wrote: > > IMHO a reference in this domain is PHP: PHP documentation is > translated to at least 10 languages. See for example the "Change > language: [...]" list at: > >http://php.net/echo > > I'm not

Re: [Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/2017 07:10 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a member of the french #python-fr IRC channel on Freenode: it's > common to meet people who don't speak english and so are unable to > read the Python official documentation. Python wants

[Python-Dev] Split Misc/NEWS into individual files

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, As an user, I like Misc/NEWS changelog. I like reading https://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/changelog.html#changelog after a minor Python release to see all bugfixes. As a developer, I deeply hate this file :-) It's very painful to: * find the latest Python version in this giant file * find

[Python-Dev] Translated Python documentation

2017-02-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, I'm a member of the french #python-fr IRC channel on Freenode: it's common to meet people who don't speak english and so are unable to read the Python official documentation. Python wants to be widely available, for all users, in any language: that's also why Python 3 now allows any non-ASCII