[Python-Dev] Re: python-iterators mailing list on SourceForge

2021-05-15 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/05/2021 08:39, Julien Palard via Python-Dev wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 234 mention > https://sourceforge.net/p/python/mailman/python-iterators/ but the > project mailing list archives are marked as "hidden". > > Looks like projects admin and developers can get the "hidden link", but > I think it

Re: [Python-Dev] Current Python 3.2 status?

2016-06-14 Thread Georg Brandl
On 06/11/2016 07:41 PM, Chi Hsuan Yen wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Berker Peksağ > wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Chi Hsuan Yen > wrote: > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Removing the provisional label from pathlib

2016-05-20 Thread Georg Brandl
self about branches, that's why I > wrote this table ;-) > https://docs.python.org/devguide/#status-of-python-branches > > By the way, is it still up to date? Python 3.2 end-of-line is > documented as 2016-02-20, so its status should be end-of-life, no? > > Georg Brandl sched

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals (revision 3)

2016-05-11 Thread Georg Brandl
I'm happy with the latest version. Georg On 05/11/2016 06:46 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > If the authors are happy I'll accept it right away. > > (I vaguely recall there's another PEP that's ready for pronouncement -- but > which one?) > > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Brett Cannon

Re: [Python-Dev] Defining a path protocol

2016-04-07 Thread Georg Brandl
On 04/06/2016 07:26 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > WIth Ethan volunteering to do the work to help make a path protocol a thing -- > and I'm willing to help along with propagating this through the stdlib where I > think Serhiy might be interested in helping as well -- and a seeming consensus > this is a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals (revision 3)

2016-03-19 Thread Georg Brandl
g its acceptance? >> >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 at 00:49 Georg Brandl <g.bra...@gmx.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> after talking to Guido and Serhiy we present the next revision >>> of this PEP. It is a compromise that we are all

Re: [Python-Dev] Very old git mirror under github user "python-git"

2016-02-28 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/27/2016 11:45 PM, Matthias Bussonnier wrote: > Hi all, > > >> On Feb 27, 2016, at 14:21, Alexander Walters > > wrote: >> >> Can we even ask github to pull it down and reasonably expect them to comply? >> Their entire model is

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.2.7 and 3.3.7

2016-02-20 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 06:34 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm planning to release 3.2.7 and 3.3.7 at the end of February. > There will be a release candidate on Feb 20, and the final on > Feb 27, if there is no holdup. > > These are both security (source-only) releases. 3.2

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals (revision 3)

2016-02-13 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/13/2016 12:10 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > On 13.02.16 10:48, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Following the same rules for placement, underscores will be allowed in >> the following constructors: >> >> - ``int()`` (with any base) >> - ``float()`` >> - ``complex

[Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals (revision 3)

2016-02-13 Thread Georg Brandl
- PEP: 515 Title: Underscores in Numeric Literals Version: $Revision$ Last-Modified: $Date$ Author: Georg Brandl, Serhiy Storchaka Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Created: 10-Feb-2016 Python-Version: 3.6 Post-History: 10-Feb-2016, 11-Feb-2016 Abstract

Re: [Python-Dev] Py_SETREF again

2016-02-12 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/12/2016 10:45 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > Sorry to bringing this up again. I was hoping we were done with that. > > When discussing the name of the Py_SETREF macro I was supposed to add a > pair of macros: for Py_DECREF and Py_XDECREF. But I got a lot of > opinions to be limited to only

[Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Literals Version: $Revision$ Last-Modified: $Date$ Author: Georg Brandl Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Created: 10-Feb-2016 Python-Version: 3.6 Abstract and Rationale == This PEP proposes to extend Python's syntax so that underscores can be used

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/10/2016 11:42 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: > On 2/10/2016 2:20 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> This came up in python-ideas, and has met mostly positive comments, >> although the exact syntax rules are up for discussion. >>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 10:10 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 10 February 2016 at 23:14, Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info> wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:53:09PM +, Paul Moore wrote: >>> On 10 February 2016 at 22:20, Georg Brandl <g.bra...@gmx.net> wrote: >>>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 12:04 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > It looks like the implementation https://bugs.python.org/issue26331 > only changes the Python parser. > > What about other functions converting strings to numbers at runtime > like int(str) and float(str)? Paul also asked for Decimal(str). I added

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 11:17 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: >> **Group 3: only between digits, only one underscore** >> >> * Ada [8]_ >> * Julia (but not in the exponent part of floats) [9]_ >> * Ruby (docs say "anywhere", in reality only between digits) [10]_ > > C++ is in this group too. > > The

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 05:52 PM, Steve Dower wrote: > On 11Feb2016 0651, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Feb 11, 2016, at 09:22 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> >>> based on the feedback so far, I revised the PEP. There is now >>> a much simpler rule for allowed underscores,

[Python-Dev] Python 3.2.7 and 3.3.7

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi all, I'm planning to release 3.2.7 and 3.3.7 at the end of February. There will be a release candidate on Feb 20, and the final on Feb 27, if there is no holdup. These are both security (source-only) releases. 3.2.7 will be the last release from the 3.2 series. If you know of any patches

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 06:19 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: >> Thanks for the alternate patch. I used the two-function approach you took >> in ast.c for my latest revision. >> >> I still think that some cases (like two of the examples in the PEP, >> 0b__ and 1.5_j) are worth having, and therefore a

[Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-10 Thread Georg Brandl
-Modified: $Date$ Author: Georg Brandl Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Created: 10-Feb-2016 Python-Version: 3.6 Abstract and Rationale == This PEP proposes to extend Python's syntax so that underscores can be used in integral and floating-point number

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-10 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 02:16 AM, Martin Panter wrote: > I have occasionally wondered about this missing feature. > > On 10 February 2016 at 22:20, Georg Brandl <g.bra...@gmx.net> wrote: >> Abstract and Rationale >> == >> >> This PE

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-10 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/11/2016 12:45 AM, Andrew Barnert via Python-Dev wrote: > On Feb 10, 2016, at 14:20, Georg Brandl <g.bra...@gmx.net> wrote: > > First, general questions: should the PEP mention the Decimal constructor? > What about int and float (I'd assume int(s) continues to work as alw

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 515: Underscores in Numeric Literals

2016-02-10 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/10/2016 11:35 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> Examples:: >> >> # grouping decimal numbers by thousands >> amount = 10_000_000.0 >> >> # grouping hexadecimal addresses by words >> addr = 0xDEAD_BEEF >> >> # grouping bits into bytes in a binary

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #26204: compiler now emits a SyntaxWarning on constant statement

2016-02-09 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/09/2016 10:57 AM, Joseph Martinot-Lagarde wrote: > Victor Stinner gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I changed the Python compiler to ignore any kind "constant >> expressions", whereas it only ignored strings and integers before: >> http://bugs.python.org/issue26204 >> >> The compiler

Re: [Python-Dev] Update PEP 7 to require curly braces in C

2016-01-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/19/2016 01:18 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > Though I don't write C anymore, I occasionally read our C sources. I > dislike mixed bracketing in a multiple clause if/else statement, and > would strongly recommend against that. On the other hand, to my > Python-trained eye, brackets for one

Re: [Python-Dev] Update PEP 7 to require curly braces in C

2016-01-17 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/17/2016 11:19 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, 13:59 Ethan Furman > wrote: > > On 01/17/2016 11:10 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html. Skipping the > > curly

Re: [Python-Dev] doc tests failing

2015-11-13 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/13/2015 04:12 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > What am I doing wrong? Running "make doctest" in the first place. The doctests in the core docs were not written to support that, and also never updated to do so. Georg > I have tried: > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Collecting information about git

2015-09-15 Thread Georg Brandl
On 09/15/2015 08:02 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 09:46:55AM -0700, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> This looks like good information, but why is it a PEP? If anything, the >> devguide was probably be more appropriate. But even that's strange >> considering

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Collecting information about git

2015-09-15 Thread Georg Brandl
n a (moderate) advocate for switching to git and > GitHub. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Georg Brandl <g.bra...@gmx.net > <mailto:g.bra...@gmx.net>> wrote: > > On 09/15/2015 08:02 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 09:46:55AM

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

2015-07-14 Thread Georg Brandl
On 07/14/2015 02:39 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Drawing the line at only rejecting assert_ *would* have been a reasonable alternative design choice, but it isn't the one Kushal and Michael made, and there isn't a compelling argument in favour of changing the implementation of the new guard to

Re: [Python-Dev] subclassing builtin data structures

2015-02-14 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/14/2015 07:26 PM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: In the case of int, there is a good reason for this behavior - bool. In python, we want True + True == 2. In numpy, where binary operations preserve subclasses, you have import numpy numpy.bool_(1) + numpy.bool_(1) True I don't

Re: [Python-Dev] (no subject)

2015-02-11 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/10/2015 10:33 AM, Paul Moore wrote: On 10 February 2015 at 00:29, Neil Girdhar mistersh...@gmail.com wrote: function(**kw_arguments, **more_arguments) If the key key1 is in both dictionaries, more_arguments wins, right? There was some debate and it was decided that duplicate keyword

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 475 accepted

2015-02-03 Thread Georg Brandl
On 02/03/2015 04:25 PM, Larry Hastings wrote: On 02/02/2015 12:58 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: 2015-02-02 21:49 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org: W00t! Congratulations les Français! We will celebrate this acceptance with a glass of red wine and cheese. If it were me, I'd use

Re: [Python-Dev] Any grammar experts?

2015-01-26 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/26/2015 07:25 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: I also think the multiple-starargs function calls are completely overboard: f(**someargs, **someotherargs) (I might add I've never felt any need for those) This

Re: [Python-Dev] Python bug tracker Roundup

2015-01-26 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/26/2015 09:25 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: Do we have our own mailing list for Roundup? I'm trying to fix the Activity Date search bug (only returns issues where the *last* activity was on a date, not *any* activity on a date). That would be tracker-discuss. Georg

Re: [Python-Dev] Any grammar experts?

2015-01-25 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/25/2015 04:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:10:51 -0500 Neil Girdhar mistersh...@gmail.com wrote: To finish PEP 448, I need to update the grammar for syntax such as {**x for x in it} Is this seriously allowed by the PEP? What does it mean exactly? It appears to

Re: [Python-Dev] C ABI and #ifndef Py_LIMITED_API

2015-01-14 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/14/2015 08:32 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: In the CPython source code I see #ifndef Py_LIMITED_API Is there a section in the docs that explains the purpose? If not, can someone give me the cliff notes version? PEP 384, and in particular [1] should get you started. cheers, Georg [1]

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 481 - Migrate Some Supporting Repositories to Git and Github

2014-12-01 Thread Georg Brandl
On 12/01/2014 01:05 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: On 2014-12-01, 07:43 GMT, Donald Stufft wrote: I do not choose tools simply because they are written in Python -- I choose them because, being written in Python, I I can work on them if I need to: I can enhance them, I can fix them, I can learn from

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/23/2014 05:55 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: I guess my question is who and what is going to be disrupted if we go with Guido's suggestion of switching to GitHub for code hosting? Contributors won't be disrupted at all since most people are more familiar with GitHub vs. Bitbucket (how many

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/23/2014 07:03 PM, Ryan wrote: I can agree with most of these points. Some more things to consider: - Git is 20x faster than Hg (that's 99% of the reason I switched and hate using Darcs) You won't get much traction with this argument around here. As long as there aren't specific

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/23/2014 09:38 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: On Nov 23, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: The next point is that there is no easy way to change the target branch of a pull request (on github or bitbucket). People will usually make patches against the master branch

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/23/2014 09:42 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: The more problematic category are pre-push hooks. We use them for checking and rejecting commits with * disallowed branches * non-conformant whitespace * wrong EOL style * multiple heads per named branch As far

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Georg Brandl
On 11/24/2014 12:21 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 4:18:37 PM Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net mailto:g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: On 11/23/2014 09:42 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: [SNIP] And I'm still in support no matter what of breaking out the HOWTOs

Re: [Python-Dev] https://docs.python.org/3/using/index.html not linking correctly

2014-10-20 Thread Georg Brandl
On 10/20/2014 10:01 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: If I go to https://docs.python.org/3/using/index.html and click on any of the TOC entries, I get 'connecting' indefinitely. This problem seems unique to this file. I tried several other index files and clicking am entry brings up the corresponding

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.6, Python 3.3.6

2014-10-12 Thread Georg Brandl
/ These are production versions, please report any bugs to http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlQ6L

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes-like objects

2014-10-06 Thread Georg Brandl
On 10/06/2014 06:34 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: 3. buffer is a completely new term for most users, and one that refers to an implementation detail of memoryview, moreso than something developers actually need to care about. Using it directly in error messages and documentation is to make the

Re: [Python-Dev] Microsoft Visual C++ Compiler for Python 2.7

2014-10-05 Thread Georg Brandl
I just tried out the compiler and built wininst and wheel dists. Thanks! distutils was *almost* fine using it, but for two snags: * I had to set VS90COMNTOOLS * distutils expects vcvarsall.bat in VC, while you have it in the parent dir The first could be set by the installer of your package.

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes-like objects

2014-10-05 Thread Georg Brandl
On 10/05/2014 06:11 PM, R. David Murray wrote: Over the past while we've been cleaning up the docs in the area of how do we refer to bytes, bytearray, memoryview, etc, etc? in the APIs that deal with bytes. As you may or may not remember, we settled on the term 'bytes-like object', and have

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2.6rc1, Python 3.3.6rc1

2014-10-04 Thread Georg Brandl
://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-336rc1/ These are pre-releases, please report any bugs to http://bugs.python.org/ The final releases are scheduled one week from now. Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and contributors

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiline with statement line continuation

2014-08-15 Thread Georg Brandl
On 08/15/2014 11:08 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 08/13/2014 10:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: (2) Also note that *this is already the case*, since tuples are made by the commas, not the parentheses. E.g. this succeeds: # Not a tuple, actually two context managers. with open(/tmp/foo),

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiline with statement line continuation

2014-08-12 Thread Georg Brandl
On 08/12/2014 06:57 PM, Armin Rigo wrote: Hi, On 12 August 2014 01:08, Allen Li cyberdup...@gmail.com wrote: with (open('foo') as foo, open('bar') as bar, open('baz') as baz, open('spam') as spam, open('eggs') as eggs): pass +1.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 461: Adding % formatting to bytes and bytearray -- Request for Pronouncement

2014-03-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.03.2014 22:21, schrieb Ethan Furman: On 03/27/2014 01:44 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Accepted. Yay! +1 for that Yay :) Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.03.2014 00:06, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On 26 Mar 2014 08:32, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net mailto:g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 25.03.2014 23:15, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On 26 Mar 2014 01:19, Brett Cannon bcan...@gmail.com mailto:bcan...@gmail.com mailto:bcan...@gmail.com mailto:bcan

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.03.2014 08:51, schrieb Nick Coghlan: I think that calling it Python 2.8 would be a bad idea for the reasons that have already been stated. Perhaps it should just be called Python 2.7 Enhanced Security (Python 2.7 ES). The PEP currently calls the proposed unmodified fork of 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.03.2014 23:15, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On 26 Mar 2014 01:19, Brett Cannon bcan...@gmail.com mailto:bcan...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we make it clear we have chosen to change our backwards-compatibility guarantees in the name of security and have a link to the last

Re: [Python-Dev] unit tests for error messages

2014-03-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.03.2014 19:55, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:53:31 -0700 Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: I just made a change to some error messages [1] (really, just one): old behavior: '%o' % 3.14 'float' object cannot be interpreted as an integer new behavior:

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Add a stub whatsnew in 3.5 document.

2014-03-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.03.2014 01:27, schrieb victor.stinner: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/daa6bf71170f changeset: 89835:daa6bf71170f user:Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com date:Tue Mar 18 00:53:32 2014 +0100 summary: Add a stub whatsnew in 3.5 document. files:

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Add a stub whatsnew in 3.5 document.

2014-03-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.03.2014 09:02, schrieb Victor Stinner: 2014-03-18 7:22 GMT+01:00 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net: Am 18.03.2014 01:27, schrieb victor.stinner: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/daa6bf71170f changeset: 89835:daa6bf71170f user:Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com date

Re: [Python-Dev] Poll: Py_REPLACE/Py_ASSIGN/etc

2014-03-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.03.2014 19:29, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 26.02.14 11:40, Serhiy Storchaka написав(ла): Let's choose the least confusing names. See discussions at: http://bugs.python.org/issue3081 http://bugs.python.org/issue16447 http://bugs.python.org/issue20440

[Python-Dev] 3.3 branch is now in security fix mode

2014-03-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi all, since 3.3.5 and 3.4.0 practically coincided, it is a good point to end the bugfix maintenance of the 3.3 branch. Please only commit security-related fixes to 3.3 from now -- like for 3.2 -- and as always, please set tracker issues that relate to security fixes to release blocker

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Added Doc/tools/ subdirs to .hgignore.

2014-03-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 14.03.2014 16:55, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014, at 08:52 AM, Zachary Ware wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014, at 07:20 AM, vinay.sajip wrote: diff --git a/.hgignore b/.hgignore ---

Re: [Python-Dev] Any non-3.4.0 docs in default?

2014-03-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 13.03.2014 17:50, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: Le 13/03/2014 17:18, Serhiy Storchaka a écrit : 13.03.14 17:16, Larry Hastings написав(ла): I'm strongly considering literally copying over all the content in Doc/ from the default branch to the 3.4 branch. Not cherry-picking doc changes, simply

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4: don't remove anything, don't break backward compatibility

2014-03-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 10.03.2014 23:58, schrieb Allen Li: I'm not a dev, so my comment doesn't have that much weight, but it is possible to stop flooding the mailing list with idle chitchat about something mostly irrelevant and non-productive? There's nothing wrong with the current Python versioning scheme.

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: In article cadisq7eif2ybkwr4nqlxi800crqzwwvzms11enmt0pqna23...@mail.gmail.com, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: The whatsnew updates (including the one for help) weren't

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.03.2014 08:00, schrieb Ned Deily: In article lfmbjj$nka$2...@ger.gmane.org, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: In article cadisq7eif2ybkwr4nqlxi800crqzwwvzms11enmt0pqna23...@mail.gmail.com, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 11

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.03.2014 15:54, schrieb Guido van Rossum: I'm not sure I agree completely with this lax attitude about the contents of the docs, and especially the What's New parts of it (both Misc/NEWS and Doc/whatsnew/3.4.rst). I don't think anyone here suggested not to update the whatsnew document.

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Make the various iterators' setstate sliently and consistently clip the

2014-03-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 06.03.2014 09:02, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 05.03.14 17:24, kristjan.jonsson написав(ла): http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/3b2c28061184 changeset: 89477:3b2c28061184 branch: 3.3 parent: 89475:24d4e52f4f87 user:Kristján Valur Jónsson swesk...@gmail.com date:Wed

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.3.5 release candidate 2

2014-03-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Python 3.3.5 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.3.5/ This is a preview release, please report any bugs to http://bugs.python.org/ The final release is scheduled one week from now. Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python

Re: [Python-Dev] Cherry-pick between Python 3.4 RC2 and final?

2014-03-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.03.2014 19:31, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 3/3/2014 7:13 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: On 03/03/2014 03:01 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: Hi, I would like to know if the cherry-picking rule still applies for Python 3.4 final? Can I open an issue if I want to see a changeset in the final version?

Re: [Python-Dev] Poll: Py_REPLACE/Py_ASSIGN/etc

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.02.2014 17:09, schrieb Ryan Gonzalez: I like Py_DECREF_REPLACE. It gives the impression that it decrefs the original and replaces it. Agreed, most other suggestions are not really explicit enough. Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.3.5 release candidate 1

2014-02-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Python 3.3.5 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.3.5/ This is a preview release, please report any bugs to http://bugs.python.org/ The final release is scheduled one week from now. Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 01:07, schrieb Larry Hastings: On 02/18/2014 03:54 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: 2014-02-19 0:46 GMT+01:00 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org: Is there *any* reason to make this branch public before 3.4.0 final? I'm a little bit worried by the fact that buildbots will not test it.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 03:46, schrieb Guido van Rossum: I do think there's one legitimate concern -- someone might pull a diff from Larry's branch and then accidentally push it back to the public repo, and then Larry would be in trouble if he was planning to rebase that diff. (The joys of DVCS -- we

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 00:54, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Klose wrote: Am 17.02.2014 00:25, schrieb Larry Hastings: And my local branch will remain private until 3.4.0 final ships! sorry, but this is so wrong. Is there *any* reason why to keep this branch private?

Re: [Python-Dev] Preview of 3.4 rc2 (so far) is up

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 11:04, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On 19 Feb 2014 14:05, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org mailto:la...@hastings.org wrote: The URL has changed slightly. Please go here: http://midwinter.com/~larry/3.4.status/ You'll notice two things: a merge.status.html file, which shows

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 16:50, schrieb Guido van Rossum: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net mailto:g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 19.02.2014 00:54, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Klose wrote: Am 17.02.2014 00:25, schrieb Larry

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 19:00, schrieb Georg Brandl: Give Larry some trust and freedom to do things in the way that makes him comfortable. I have no doubts that Larry will make 3.4 the best Python yet :) So far he has discussed most of his procedures with us, so I don't see a reason not to weigh

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.02.2014 19:00, schrieb Georg Brandl: Am 19.02.2014 16:50, schrieb Guido van Rossum: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net mailto:g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 19.02.2014 00:54, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Feb 19, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Klose wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] python 3 niggle: None 1 raises TypeError

2014-02-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.02.2014 08:35, schrieb Greg Ewing: Tim Peters wrote: [Greg Ewing] often one wants to sort a collection of objects having keys that can take on null values. Perhaps that's often true of your code, but it's never been true of mine. It's fairly common in accounting circles. I have a

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 15.02.2014 23:19, schrieb Paul Moore: On 13 February 2014 20:58, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 February 2014 20:54, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please take a look at

Re: [Python-Dev] CLA link from bugs.python.org

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 09:40, schrieb Ezio Melotti: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Tim Delaney timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote: It appears there's no obvious link from bugs.python.org to the contributor

Re: [Python-Dev] pootle.python.org is down

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 16:32, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 06:52 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: I came across http://bugs.python.org/issue13663, which is about a pootle.python.org installation. http://pootle.python.org/ currently returns a 500. Are we still using Pootle, or should I

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 21:14, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 2/16/2014 2:52 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 16.02.14 10:19, Georg Brandl написав(ла): As soon as a patch has been provided and tested, I will make a schedule for 3.3.5 including the fix. Until then, using 3.3.3 is probably the best solution

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
two months after 3.4.0. I figure we would release 3.4.1 rc1 on Sunday May 4th, and 3.4.1 final on Sunday May 18th. How this will affect the schedule for 3.3.x? Will it accelerately switched to security-only fix mode? That would really be a question for Georg Brandl, the 3.3 release manager

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Doc: do not rely on checked-out Sphinx toolchain from svn.python.org anymore

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 23:46, schrieb Ned Deily: In article 3frhkw2rdjz7...@mail.python.org, georg.brandl python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/eef7899ea7ab changeset: 89212:eef7899ea7ab user:Georg Brandl ge...@python.org date:Sun Feb 16 09:46:36 2014

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.3.4

2014-02-10 Thread Georg Brandl
://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.3's contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlL5PMwACgkQN9GcIYhpnLCv4wCePNVqwsOYCHdJBix2bKk4PNpK

Re: [Python-Dev] The docstring hack for signature information has to go

2014-02-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.02.2014 14:52, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Am 03.02.14 15:43, schrieb Larry Hastings: A: We create a PyMethodDefEx structure with an extra field: const char *signature. We add a new METH_SIGNATURE (maybe just METH_SIG?) flag to the flags, indicating that this is an extended structure.

Re: [Python-Dev] The docstring hack for signature information has to go

2014-02-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.02.2014 10:12, schrieb Larry Hastings: If you won't let me have a flag, can I at least have a more-clever marker? How about this: name-of-function(...)\n \n Yes, the last four characters are right-parenthesis, newline, space, and newline. Benefits: * The odds of

Re: [Python-Dev] The docstring hack for signature information has to go

2014-02-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.02.2014 13:14, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 02:21:51 -0800 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 02/04/2014 01:41 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Clever, but due to the hidden space it also increases the frustration factor for people trying to find out why

Re: [Python-Dev] __doc__ regression

2014-02-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.02.2014 14:19, schrieb Victor Stinner: 2014-02-04 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org: Why couldn't these tools use inspect.Signature? inspect.Signature was added in Python 3.3. Python 2 is still widely used, and some Linux distro only provide Python 3.2. Well, Python 2 won't be able to

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.3.4 release candidate 1

2014-01-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.01.2014 20:12, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 29.01.14 18:55, Andrew Svetlov написав(ла): Would you to accept fixes for http://bugs.python.org/issue20434 and http://bugs.python.org/issue20437 before 3.3.4 final? And http://bugs.python.org/issue20440. No, sorry; these bugs are not

Re: [Python-Dev] Negative times behaviour in itertools.repeat for Python maintenance releases (2.7, 3.3 and maybe 3.4)

2014-01-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.01.2014 13:12, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 04:01:02 -0800 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 01/27/2014 01:39 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:01:08 -0800 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 01/26/2014 08:40 PM, Alexander Belopolsky

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.3.4 release candidate 1

2014-01-26 Thread Georg Brandl
://www.python.org/download/releases/3.3.4/ This is a preview release, please report any bugs to http://bugs.python.org/ The final version is scheduled to be released in two weeks' time, on or about the 10th of February. Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] version numbers mismatched in google search results.

2014-01-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.01.2014 17:12, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014, at 05:47 AM, Vincent Davis wrote: When I do a google search the version numbers are mismatched with the linked page (or redirected). For example search for python counter I get the following results. (see attachment) It

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] Cron docs@dinsdale /home/docs/build-devguide

2014-01-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.01.2014 05:49, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014, at 08:45 PM, Cron Daemon wrote: Could not find platform independent libraries prefix Could not find platform dependent libraries exec_prefix Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to prefix[:exec_prefix] 'import site' failed; use -v

Re: [Python-Dev] .clinic.c vs .c.clinic

2014-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2014 09:05, schrieb Larry Hastings: On 01/19/2014 08:29 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 01/19/2014 03:32 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 19.01.2014 11:19, schrieb Larry Hastings: Not kidding, my best idea so far is foo.clinic.h.h, Why not always put clinic into its own directory? Modules

Re: [Python-Dev] .clinic.c vs .c.clinic

2014-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2014 14:31, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 20.01.14 15:03, Nick Coghlan написав(ла): On 20 January 2014 21:14, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: 20.01.14 10:05, Larry Hastings написав(ла): Contestant 4: Put in clinic directory, add .h foo.c - clinic/foo.c.h foo.h -

Re: [Python-Dev] .clinic.c vs .c.clinic

2014-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2014 21:05, schrieb Ethan Furman: On 01/20/2014 11:46 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: Contestant 5: Put in __clinic__ directory, add .h foo.c - __clinic__/foo.c.h foo.h -

Re: [Python-Dev] .clinic.c vs .c.clinic

2014-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2014 22:47, schrieb Ethan Furman: Won't AC put those macros in the source file for you? No, currently it wouldn't know where to look. And that's a good thing because AC never should modify anything not inbetween clinic start generated code and clinic end generated code. So, if I

Re: [Python-Dev] .clinic.c vs .c.clinic

2014-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2014 09:15, schrieb Georg Brandl: Contestant 5: Put in __clinic__ directory, add .h foo.c - __clinic__/foo.c.h foo.h - __clinic__/foo.h.h -1. (Too complicated; this isn't Python packages we're talking about.) Make that +0. Georg

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