Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Dmitry Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I think the following issues should be also marked as release blockers: Agreed and done. - http://bugs.python.org/issue3714 (nntplib module broken by str to unicode conversion) - http://bugs.python.org/issue3725

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Here's some I found from a few minutes of futzing around with r66821 of py3k on Linux. - Having os.getcwdb isn't much use when you can't even run python in the first place when the current directory has bad bytes in it. That's not true: it *is* of much use. Python will live in /usr/bin,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/10/6 Raymond Hettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a reasonable schedule? Do we need two more betas? Yes to both questions. I agree with you here. I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread James Y Knight
On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: - Having os.getcwdb isn't much use when you can't even run python in the first place when the current directory has bad bytes in it. That's not true: it *is* of much use. Python will live in /usr/bin, which has a nicely-decodable path.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
James Y Knight wrote: or at least fully recognized and documented as a half-baked solution. I would prefer that, leaving a full resolution to 3.1 (or perhaps 3.2). If we wait long enough, the issue will disappear (a strategy that Sun is apparently taking for Java :-) Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Adam Olsen
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM, James Y Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: - Having os.getcwdb isn't much use when you can't even run python in the first place when the current directory has bad bytes in it. That's not true: it *is* of much

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 rc 2 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 4 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final I've updated PEP 361 and the Google calendar with this schedule, except that the PEP says that rc3 and

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I won't be able to cut another release between the 15th and 5th, so at least that one should be 2 weeks. If we don't need the additional rc, then we can release early, which would put us just

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread James Y Knight
On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Adam Olsen wrote: So what does Qt do when given a file name already using those PUA? Looks like they get passed through untouched when decoded, but will get translated into invalid names upon encoding. Well, I'd say that looks like a bug. It should probably decode

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread James Y Knight
On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: I'm not sure we do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the big ticket, issue bytes/unicode filepaths, has been resolved. And looking at the tracker, I only see 18 release blockers. Well, if you mean that the resolution decided upon is to simply