Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Guido van Rossum wrote: On the hosting issue, I'm still neutral -- I expect we'll be able to support the current developer crowd easily on svn.python.org, but if we ever find ther are resource problems (either people or bandwidth etc.) I just received a recommendation for wush.net which

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
I'm ready to accept te general idea of moving to subversion and away from SourceForge. On the hosting issue, I'm still neutral -- I expect we'll be able to support the current developer crowd easily on svn.python.org, but if we ever find ther are resource problems (either people or bandwidth

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-20 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:14 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'm ready to accept te general idea of moving to subversion and away from SourceForge. On the hosting issue, I'm still neutral -- I expect we'll be able to support the current developer crowd easily on svn.python.org, but if we ever find

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Tim Peters wrote: It would be best if svn:eol-style were set to native during initial conversion from CVS, on all files not marked binary in CVS. Ok, I'll add that to the PEP. Not sure how to implement it, yet... Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Michael Hudson
Tim Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Martin v. Löwis] I have placed a new version of the PEP on http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html ... +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want?

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Tuesday 16 August 2005 21:42, Michael Hudson wrote: I want svn, I think. I'm open to more sophisticated approaches but am not sure that any of them are really mature enough yet. Probably will be soon, but not soon enough to void the effort of moving to svn (IMHO). I'm not really a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 07:42, Michael Hudson wrote: The third set of people who count are pydotorg admins. I'm not really one of those either at the moment. While SF's CVS setup has it's problems (occasional outages; it's only CVS) it's hard to beat what it costs us in sysadmin time: zero.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Michael Hudson
Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 07:42, Michael Hudson wrote: The third set of people who count are pydotorg admins. I'm not really one of those either at the moment. While SF's CVS setup has it's problems (occasional outages; it's only CVS) it's hard to beat

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Jack Diederich
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 10:08:26PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: On Tuesday 16 August 2005 21:42, Michael Hudson wrote: I want svn, I think. I'm open to more sophisticated approaches but am not sure that any of them are really mature enough yet. Probably will be soon, but not soon enough

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread James Y Knight
On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:52 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Tim Peters wrote: It would be best if svn:eol-style were set to native during initial conversion from CVS, on all files not marked binary in CVS. Ok, I'll add that to the PEP. Not sure how to implement it, yet... cvs2svn does that by

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
James Y Knight wrote: cvs2svn does that by default (now). Ah, ok. Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Michael Hudson wrote: I suppose another question is: when? Between 2.4.2 and 2.5a1 seems like a good opportunity. I guess the biggest job is collection of keys and associated admin? I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the repository elsehwere. Some people (Anthony,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Neil Schemenauer
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 08:31:20PM +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the repository elsehwere. Some people (Anthony, Guido, Tim) would prefer to pay for it, instead of hosting it on svn.python.org. Another option would be to pay someone

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 15:18, Neil Schemenauer wrote: Another option would be to pay someone to maintain the SVN setup on python.org. Unfortunately, I guess that would require someone else to first create a detailed description of the maintenance work required and to process bids. Again,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Michael Hudson] I suppose another question is: when? Between 2.4.2 and 2.5a1 seems like a good opportunity. I guess the biggest job is collection of keys and associated admin? [Martin v. Löwis] I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the repository elsehwere. Some

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Tim] +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want? That means people like you (Martin), Michael, Raymond, Walter, Fred. ... plus the release manager(s). +1 from me. CVS is meeting my needs but I

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neil Schemenauer wrote: Another option would be to pay someone to maintain the SVN setup on python.org. Unfortunately, I guess that would require someone else to first create a detailed description of the maintenance work required and to process bids. I think this would be difficult. I could

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Martin v. Löwis] Ah, ok. Of course, Barry can only speak about the current availability of volunteers, which is quite good (especially since amk took over coordinating them), nobody can predict the future (the time machine apparently only works one-way). So I guess the concern stays, and,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Raymond Hettinger] +1 from me. CVS is meeting my needs but I would definitely benefit from fast diffs and atomic commits. My experiences with SVN to-date have all been positive and it was easy to learn. Good! That was my experience too, BTW -- SVN was a genuine improvement over CVS, and I

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Walter Dörwald
Tim Peters wrote: [Martin v. Löwis] I have placed a new version of the PEP on http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html ... +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want? That means people like

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Tim Peters wrote: [Martin v. Löwis] I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the repository elsehwere. Some people (Anthony, Guido, Tim) would prefer to pay for it, instead of hosting it on svn.python.org. Not this Tim. Not this one either. I haven't actually used any

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Guido van Rossum
Nor this Guido, FWIW (I think we shouldn't rule it out as an option, but I don't have any preferences). On 8/16/05, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Peters wrote: [Martin v. Löwis] I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the repository elsehwere.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Martin v. Löwis] I have placed a new version of the PEP on http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html ... +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want? That means people like you (Martin), Michael,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Brett Cannon wrote: What is going in under python/ ? If it is what is currently /dist/src/, then great and the renaming of the repository works. Just have a look yourself :-) Yes, this is dist/src. But if that is what src/ is going to be used for This is nondist/src. Perhaps I should just

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-08 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/7/05, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: What is going in under python/ ? If it is what is currently /dist/src/, then great and the renaming of the repository works. Just have a look yourself :-) Yes, this is dist/src. Ah, OK. I didn't drill far enough

[Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I have placed a new version of the PEP on http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html Changes to the previous version include: - add more rationale for using svn (atomic changesets, fast tags and branches) - changed conversion procedure to a single repository, with some reorganization. See

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/7/05, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have placed a new version of the PEP on http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html Changes to the previous version include: - add more rationale for using svn (atomic changesets, fast tags and branches) - changed conversion