Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-07 Thread Michael Hudson
Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does this sound to the non-AST-branch developers who have to suffer the inevitable post-merge instability? I think it's now or never -- waiting longer isn't going to make this thing easier (not with several more language changes approved:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-07 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 10/6/05, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:34 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: How does this sound to the non-AST-branch developers who have to suffer the inevitable post-merge instability? I think it's now or never -- waiting longer isn't going to make this thing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we kill the branch for now, then anyone that wants to bring up the idea again can write a PEP first I still have some (very) small hope that it can be finished. If we don't get it done soon then I fear that it will never happen. I had hoped that a SoC

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 10/6/05, Neil Schemenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we kill the branch for now, then anyone that wants to bring up the idea again can write a PEP first I still have some (very) small hope that it can be finished. If we don't get it done soon then

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 10/6/05, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/6/05, Neil Schemenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we kill the branch for now, then anyone that wants to bring up the idea again can write a PEP first I still have some (very) small hope

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Raymond Hettinger
Unless I'm missing something, we would need to merge HEAD to the AST branch once more to pick up the changes in MAIN since the last merge, and then make sure everything in the AST branch is passing the test suite. Otherwise we risk having MAIN broken for awhile following a merge. IMO,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
[Kurt] Unless I'm missing something, we would need to merge HEAD to the AST branch once more to pick up the changes in MAIN since the last merge, and then make sure everything in the AST branch is passing the test suite. Otherwise we risk having MAIN broken for awhile following a merge.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 07:34 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: How does this sound to the non-AST-branch developers who have to suffer the inevitable post-merge instability? I think it's now or never -- waiting longer isn't going to make this thing easier (not with several more language changes approved:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Brett Cannon
On 10/6/05, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Kurt] Unless I'm missing something, we would need to merge HEAD to the AST branch once more to pick up the changes in MAIN since the last merge, and then make sure everything in the AST branch is passing the test suite. Otherwise

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-06 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I happen to agree with Kurt that we should first merge the head into the branch; then the AST team can work on making sure the entire test suite passes; then they can merge back into the head. I can be available to do this again. It would involve

[Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-05 Thread Nick Coghlan
Guido van Rossum wrote: On 10/4/05, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was planning on looking at your patch too, but I was waiting for an answer from Guido about the fate of the ast-branch for Python 2.5. Given that we have patches for PEP 342 and PEP 343 against the trunk, but ast-branch

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 10/5/05, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, the question is: What do we want to do with ast-branch? Finish bringing it up to Python 2.4 equivalence, make it the HEAD, and only then implement the approved PEP's (308, 342, 343) that affect the compiler? Or implement the approved

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.5 and ast-branch

2005-10-05 Thread Brett Cannon
To answer Nick's email here, I didn't respond to that initial email because it seemed specifically directed at Guido and not me. On 10/5/05, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/5/05, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, the question is: What do we want to do with