Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote: There must be a good reason why traditional software

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Part of me agrees with you regarding the generally different tool lifecycle, but another part says we need these tools in the standard library or we risk inadvertently breaking the hooks they would still rely on, even as third party projects. I suspect a major factor here relates to the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-25 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: .. It is at best entertaining to ponder about reasons here; I doubt anything productive can come out of such a discussion. I disagree. Depending on the reasons for the relative lack of attention to these components,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-25 Thread Michael Foord
On 25/07/2010 19:34, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: [snip...] On the other hand, posting actual patches that fix actual bugs can make a lot of a difference. Also, having a maintainer who is willing to look into these patches and accept the good ones will make a lot of a difference. With

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-25 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Michael Foord wrote: On 25/07/2010 19:34, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: [snip...] On the other hand, posting actual patches that fix actual bugs can make a lot of a difference. Also, having a maintainer who is willing to look into these patches and accept the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-24 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote: There must be a good reason why traditional software development tools such as debugger, profiler and coverage are mostly neglected in python. Most such tools are probably better developed outside the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-24 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote: There must be a good reason why traditional software development tools such as debugger, profiler and coverage are mostly

Re: [Python-Dev] Python profiler and other tools

2010-07-23 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
I am changing the subject from http://bugs.python.org/issue231540,; because if there was a prize for a non-descriptive subject, OP would win it. There must be a good reason why traditional software development tools such as debugger, profiler and coverage are mostly neglected in python. Terry