On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl:
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb Martin v. Löwis:
Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
* redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
I've added a meta http-equiv element to the top page of
wiki.python.org, so browsers will now jump to the /moin/ page
immediately. This won't help crawlers that don't parse the
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:31 PM, A.M. Kuchling a...@amk.ca wrote:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
* redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
I've added a meta http-equiv element to the top page of
wiki.python.org, so browsers will now jump to the
Hello
Le 25/09/2010 10:20, anatoly techtonik a écrit :
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a good point actually... why *isn't* there a pydotorg-wiki-sig?
(Aside from the obvious point of nobody ever asking for one).
Because Yet Another Mailing
On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Éric Araujo wrote:
Because Yet Another Mailing List doesn't solve the problem.
If you need one - go Google Groups like packaging folks did.
Python ML are:
1. require dedicated admin to update, who is not a member of the
group 2. don't have search
3. don't have
Éric Araujo writes:
Le 25/09/2010 10:20, anatoly techtonik a écrit :
Python ML are:
1. require dedicated admin to update, who is not a member of the group
2. don't have search
3. don't have optional thread subscription
That's already enough to seek better platform for
On 9/25/2010 5:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login
process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect
that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually
turns more people away than any other
1) Registering via OpenID is a bit clumsy since there is a Register
link that does not mention OpenID.
Thanks. Fixed.
2) The URL registered with the OpenID provider is a bit of a wart:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid_return; vs.
http://bitbucket.org/;
You mean, as this is
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a change to
have the URL when you land *directly* on wiki.python.org automatically
rewritten to
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
My advice - subscribe people editing page by default (a checkbox near
submit button). This way more people will receive notifications when a
page is changed and will be more interested to contribute themselves.
Of
Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a change to
have the URL when you land *directly* on
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de
wrote:
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Georg isn't suggesting a general
Am 26.09.2010 14:59, schrieb Martin v. Löwis:
Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de
wrote:
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a
I've been talking about redirecting all the time, haven't I?
You said put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own. That seemed to
suggest it won't be anymore at wiki.python.org/jython.
* redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
* (optionally) redirect from wiki.jython.org to
On 9/26/2010 10:25 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
I've been talking about redirecting all the time, haven't I?
You said put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own. That seemed to
suggest it won't be anymore at wiki.python.org/jython.
* redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
*
On 9/26/2010 3:12 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
2) The URL registered with the OpenID provider is a bit of a wart:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid_return; vs.
http://bitbucket.org/;
You mean, as this is what the provider then shows you for confirmation?
The provider also lists the
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:56:20 -0400, Scott Dial scott+python-...@scottdial.com
wrote:
On 9/26/2010 3:12 AM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:
Preventing the browser from prompting the user on the chance they
might want to enter an OpenID is not possible, and stopping to use
basic authentication is
No, Martin really meant not possible: once basic auth is started,
the browser prompts for username and password and you are in basic-auth
land thereafter; the web server has *no way* to tell the browser to
*stop* using basic auth.
Yes, but Scott proposed that OpenID users might fill in their
On 9/26/2010 11:45 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:56:20 -0400, Scott Dial
scott+python-...@scottdial.com wrote:
On 9/26/2010 3:12 AM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:
Preventing the browser from prompting the user on the chance they
might want to enter an OpenID is not possible,
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Antoine Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
Antoine contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
Antoine to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
It would be
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
More wiki and website maintainers needed!
That's the consequence. You need to seek the reason why there are no
maintainers or active members on pydotorg-www lists. I've expressed my
thoughts earlier.
On Fri, Sep
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb David Stanek:
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com
wrote:
For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
my vision that it should
Hello,
I've been following this thread all week at work, but I thought it might be
time to respond to the different remarks in a single response, given that I
am involved in editing and maintaining the Wiki on python.org, and I had a
strong enough opinion about such things to give a talk about
On 25/09/2010 20:12, Paul Boddie wrote:
[snip...]
Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk wrote:
Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance
topics, on the pydotorg-www mailing list:
Am 25.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Paul Boddie:
Georg Brandl wrote:
Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw barry at python.org wrote:
I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems?
Radomir has shell access now so
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote:
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Also, I gotta say that the wiki login process is awkward.
MoinMoin supports OpenID, although I did find and report issues with Moin 1.9
in this regard. Something on my now-huge list of things to do
Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login
process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect
that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually
turns more people away than any other registration/login process.
So how do you like the
Am 25.09.2010 23:43, schrieb Martin v. Löwis:
For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on
wiki.python.org
While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
contributors immediately providing
As we're now seeing, people don't feel that it's acceptable to
publish the subscribers list,
Michael To be fair, quite a few people said they thought it was fine /
Michael a good thing. A couple (maybe 3?) said that as the list was
Michael originally advertised with the
Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Regards,
Martin
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Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb Martin v. Löwis:
Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Why -- they can be redirected easily.
Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl:
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb Martin v. Löwis:
Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir
has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme
more visually
On 24/09/2010 06:46, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Am 24.09.2010 00:39, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Martin v. Löwismar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance
topics, on the pydotorg-www mailing list:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
More wiki and website maintainers needed!
We
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:53:55 -0400
Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
Of course, if the consensus is that wikis are just a waste of time and do more
harm than good, then we should shut ours down. (I don't agree it is though.)
I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and
On Sep 23, 2010, at 05:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan
pointed out, a wiki needs some gardening to take care of its
structure and its presentation. The present Python wiki isn't very
inviting graphically, and its structure doesn't
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:57:19 -0400
Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Sep 23, 2010, at 05:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan
pointed out, a wiki needs some gardening to take care of its
structure and its presentation. The
Antoine The present Python wiki isn't very inviting graphically, and
Antoine its structure doesn't look very thought out.
I imagine it can be made to look more like the rest of python.org without a
lot of trouble. As to the structure, like most wikis it quickly resembles a
bag-o-pages
Antoine Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
Antoine contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
Antoine to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
It would be nice if you could actually send messages to the people who do
actually
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir
has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme
more visually appealing. What roadblocks do people encounter when they
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:52 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote:
Antoine Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
Antoine contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
Antoine to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
It would be nice if you could
With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them only
editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only
the wiki admins). But keeping those user lists up to date is itself
something that requires
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them only
editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only
the wiki admins).
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:57:19 am Barry Warsaw wrote:
I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems?
Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the
Python wiki theme more visually appealing. What roadblocks do people
encounter when they want to help
Am 24.09.2010 00:39, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them only
editable by certain people (e.g. only
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