GitLab has just posted the following re: default branches.
https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-branch-name/
Please take a moment to pause before posting. Please consider whether
additional comments are constructive. I'm concerned that rehashing the same
arguments will reflect
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:45 PM, David Mertz wrote:
>
> In contrast, the "master" used in version control directly borrows from
> so-called "master/slave network architecture." I saw in this thread one
> implausible argument that it was intended in the sense of "magister." I don't
> believe
Google tells me...
From https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/doc/HOWTO.ask
:
> We are then going to modify the file on both the master and slave
> repository and then merge the work.
This particular passage was also cited in GNOME developer discussions
regarding the usage of
On 11/03/2021 00.38, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> On 2021-03-10 13:45, David Mertz wrote:
>> In contrast, the "master" used in version control directly borrows
>> from so-called "master/slave network architecture."
>
>
> It was shown upthread that this isn't the case. Do you have more
> accurate
On 2021-03-10 13:45, David Mertz wrote:
In contrast, the "master" used in version control directly borrows from
so-called "master/slave network architecture."
It was shown upthread that this isn't the case. Do you have more accurate
documentation to refute the claim?
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I don't think it's particularly constructive, even as a strawman, to
imagine every conceivable way some word could be interpreted as
offensive. I submit that if the community consensus is that "chain"
becomes a derogatory term, then we should agree to change it too.
On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 08:23
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 4:30 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > All the other examples are also forced and contrived. This is perhaps
> worst. I own several chains for purposes having nothing to do with bondage
> or oppression.
>
> Chains are an almost universal symbol of bondage and slavery: "Man is
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 02:23:33PM +, David Mertz wrote:
> >> It even has a symbol for chains, which is associated even more
> >> closely with slavery than "master".
> >>
> >
> All the other examples are also forced and contrived. This is perhaps
> worst. I own several chains for purposes
Evpok, did you think I was joking?
I think it is a terrible thing for you to accuse me of being
"derogatory" and threaten me with the CoC because I have said we need to
do better. It sounds like you are making light of the real pain people
are suffering, every bit as real if not more so than
It is NOT a general convention. It is a push by Microsoft (owners of
GitHub). Outside of GitHub, the git command still uses "master" as the
default name.
> I agree, not yet. But I think the writing is on the wall that this will
be the new convention.
FYI for accuracy the git installer includes
On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 02:20 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> It is NOT a general convention. It is a push by Microsoft (owners of
> GitHub). Outside of GitHub, the git command still uses "master" as
> the
> default name.
I agree, not yet. But I think the writing is on the wall that this will
be
While, I agree "master" is not and should not be considered a
derogatory term—it has demonstrable valid usage—unfortunately the broad
usage of "master/slave" terminology in technology muddies the waters.
If it's not changed, the debate about the continuing to use the term
will likely be ongoing.
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:38:46 +
MRAB wrote:
> On 2021-03-10 15:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:23:33 +
> > David Mertz wrote:
> >>
> >> Renaming main branches as 'main' is currently predominant practice on
> >> GitHub (and more broadly in Free Software
I echo Barry's earlier response.
To directly address individuals who object to renaming the branch: I
respect your opinion. As I weigh the benefits of keeping the status quo
with the benefits of changing, I see the change as a temporary
inconvenience to update the branch once in order to open the
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 2:48 AM Charalampos Stratakis
wrote:
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>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Chris Angelico"
> > To: "Python-Dev"
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:20:19 PM
> > Subject: [Python-Dev] Re: Steering Counci
- Original Message -
> From: "Chris Angelico"
> To: "Python-Dev"
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:20:19 PM
> Subject: [Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council update for February
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:16 AM Evpok Padding
> wrote:
>
On 2021-03-10 15:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:23:33 +
David Mertz wrote:
Renaming main branches as 'main' is currently predominant practice on
GitHub (and more broadly in Free Software communities). Python doesn't
need to cling to an old name based on a tired argument
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:16 AM Evpok Padding wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Apparently renaming a git branch to follow the general convention is now an
> unbearable outrage.
It is NOT a general convention. It is a push by Microsoft (owners of
GitHub). Outside of GitHub, the git command still uses
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:23:33 +
David Mertz wrote:
>
> Renaming main branches as 'main' is currently predominant practice on
> GitHub (and more broadly in Free Software communities). Python doesn't
> need to cling to an old name based on a tired argument that political
> sensitivity is a
Hi,
Could we please stick to the point of renaming a Git branch? Today,
renaming a branch is easy. The rationale has been given. I don't think
any argument is going to make the Steering Concil changing their mind
("the consensus was that we should do that"). If you want to help,
please remain at
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:13 PM Evpok Padding
wrote:
> Apparently renaming a git branch to follow the general convention is now
> an unbearable outrage. It strikes me as a somewhat odd hill to die on, but
> okay. However there is a code of conduct that is supposed to be followed
> here
Dear all,
Apparently renaming a git branch to follow the general convention is now an
unbearable outrage. It strikes me as a somewhat odd hill to die on, but
okay. However there is a code of conduct that is supposed to be followed
here https://www.python.org/psf/conduct. Let me quote
> Examples
On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 08:27:19PM +, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote:
>The Steering Council discussed renaming the master branch to main and
>the consensus was that we should do that.
And about time too. Can we now tackle some of the equally pressing use
of offensive terms that are
On 10/03/2021 01:30, Inada Naoki wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:10 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
wrote:
Anyway, this is yet another SJW non-issue (countries other than US don't have a
modern history of slavery) so this change is a political
statement rather than has any technical merit.
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:14:26 +0100
Christian Heimes wrote:
> On 10/03/2021 10.30, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:30:43 +0900
> > Inada Naoki wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:10 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 10.03.2021 3:53, Chris Angelico
On 10/03/2021 10.30, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:30:43 +0900
> Inada Naoki wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:10 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10.03.2021 3:53, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:30:43 +0900
Inada Naoki wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:10 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
> wrote:
> >
> > On 10.03.2021 3:53, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
> > > wrote:
> > >>> Does 'master' confuse people?
> > >>
On 10/03/2021 01.53, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
> wrote:
>>
>>> Does 'master' confuse people?
>>
>> There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
>> practises that derive from, or are associated with, the dehumanization of
>>
On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:42:24PM -0800, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> The Steering Council unanimously believes this is the right thing to do.
Diversity is a wonderful thing. We should get some.
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The Steering Council unanimously believes this is the right thing to do.
Fortunately GitHub makes it very easy from their side. We push a button and it
makes the change for the repo and all PRs. Then when you visit the repo page
in GH, it tells you exactly what commands to run to make the
On Tue, 2021-03-09 at 16:46 -0800, Mariatta wrote:
> > > The Steering Council discussed renaming the master branch to main
> > > and the consensus was that we should do that.
> > I did not that this was an issue. This will break 4 of my .bat files
> > (update repository and workspaces,
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 17:54 Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
> wrote:
> >
> > > Does 'master' confuse people?
> >
> > There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
> practises that derive from, or are associated with, the
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:09 PM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
wrote:
>
>
> On 10.03.2021 3:53, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
> > wrote:
> >>> Does 'master' confuse people?
> >> There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
> >>
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:10 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
wrote:
>
> On 10.03.2021 3:53, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
> > wrote:
> >>> Does 'master' confuse people?
> >> There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
> >>
On 3/9/2021 8:03 PM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
> countries other than US don't have a modern history of slavery
Putting both politics and programming aside, this isn't quite so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline of abolition of slavery and
serfdom#1950.E2.80.93present
On 10.03.2021 3:53, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
wrote:
Does 'master' confuse people?
There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
practises that derive from, or are associated with, the dehumanization of
people. Such as
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw
wrote:
>
> > Does 'master' confuse people?
>
> There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
> practises that derive from, or are associated with, the dehumanization of
> people. Such as master and slave, as well as whitelist
>
> > The Steering Council discussed renaming the master branch to main
> > and the consensus was that we should do that.
> I did not that this was an issue. This will break 4 of my .bat files
> (update repository and workspaces, build python.exes, run sphinx on
> docs, run coverage.)
> Does 'master' confuse people?
There's a general movement to replace language from common programming
practises that derive from, or are associated with, the dehumanization of
people. Such as master and slave, as well as whitelist and blacklist.
Github has decided on "main" being a suitable
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>
> On 3/9/2021 3:27 PM, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote:
>
>> The Steering Council just published the community update for February:
>
> Thank you for posting this.
>
>>The Steering Council discussed renaming the master branch to main
>>
On 3/9/2021 3:27 PM, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote:
The Steering Council just published the community update for February:
Thank you for posting this.
The Steering Council discussed renaming the master branch to main
and the consensus was that we should do that.
I did not that this
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