[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

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[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

I think that's unfortunate, you can still use and format the subset of Python 3.10 syntax with black. You already do this on python 3.9 for example black doesn't support parenthesized with ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

> What I have heard repeatedly, from people who are paid to know, is that most > users don’t care about the latest features, and would rather stick to a > release until it becomes unsupported. (Extreme example: Python 2.) Just a quick note: Until black supports py3.10 fully, I'm sticking with

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 05/10/2021 07:59, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, 6:55 am Brett Cannon, wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:51 AM Phil Thompson via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: However the stable ABI is still a second class citizen as it is still not possible (AFAIK) to specify a

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 05. 10. 21 8:59, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, 6:55 am Brett Cannon, > wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:51 AM Phil Thompson via Python-Dev mailto:python-dev@python.org>> wrote: However the stable ABI is still a second class citizen as

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, 6:55 am Brett Cannon, wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:51 AM Phil Thompson via Python-Dev < > python-dev@python.org> wrote: > >> >> However the stable ABI is still a second class citizen as it is still >> not possible (AFAIK) to specify a wheel name that doesn't need

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 27/09/2021 16.32, Ronald Oussoren via Python-Dev wrote: On 26 Sep 2021, at 19:03, Christian Heimes > wrote: On 26/09/2021 13.07, jack.jan...@cwi.nl wrote: The problem with the stable ABI is that very few developers are targeting

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 27/09/2021 21:53, Brett Cannon wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:51 AM Phil Thompson via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: On 26/09/2021 05:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [snip] > These are not rhetorical questions, I genuinely do not know. I *think* > that there was an attempt to

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 12:40 AM Guido van Rossum wrote: > > What I have heard repeatedly, from people who are paid to know, is that most > users don’t care about the latest features, and would rather stick to a > release until it becomes unsupported. (Extreme example: Python 2.) > > Numpy

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

What I have heard repeatedly, from people who are paid to know, is that most users don’t care about the latest features, and would rather stick to a release until it becomes unsupported. (Extreme example: Python 2.) Numpy isn’t random, it’s at the bottom of the food chain for a large ecosystem or

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:38 AM wrote: > Open3D is an example. Will finally move to Python 3.9 some time the coming > month. Its dependency graph contains about 70 other packages. > > In this specific case, the underlying problem was that TensorFlow was stuck > at 3.8. The TensorFlow codebase

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:51 AM Phil Thompson via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > On 26/09/2021 05:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > [snip] > > > These are not rhetorical questions, I genuinely do not know. I *think* > > that there was an attempt to make a stable C API back in 3.2

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

> On 26 Sep 2021, at 19:03, Christian Heimes wrote: > > On 26/09/2021 13.07, jack.jan...@cwi.nl wrote: >> The problem with the stable ABI is that very few developers are targeting >> it. I’m not sure why not, whether it has to do with incompleteness of the >> ABI, or with issues targeting it

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 26/09/2021 13.07, jack.jan...@cwi.nl wrote: The problem with the stable ABI is that very few developers are targeting it. I’m not sure why not, whether it has to do with incompleteness of the ABI, or with issues targeting it easily and your builds and then having pip/PyPI do the right

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

> On 26 Sep 2021, at 04:09, MRAB wrote: > > On 2021-09-26 00:14, jack.jan...@cwi.nl wrote: >> I think we really need to come up with some scheme whereby extension >> packages become more long-lived than a single Python release... > You mean, something like the Python ABI (PEP 384, Stable

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

> On 26 Sep 2021, at 05:49, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 5:40 PM wrote: >> PyPI packages and wheels are targeted to specific Python versions, which >> means that any project that depends on some of the larger extension packages >> (of which there are many, and many of

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 26/09/2021 05:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [snip] As for the C-API... Python is 30 years old. Has it ever had a stable C-API before now? Hasn't it *always* been the case that C packages have targetted a single version and need to be rebuilt from source on every release? No. These are not

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:14:18AM +0200, jack.jan...@cwi.nl wrote: > I’m getting increasingly worried about the future of Python, That Python will become even more popular? TIOBE: second place, 0.16% below C. PYPL: first place, 12.3% above Java. RedMonk: equal second with Java.

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 5:40 PM wrote: > PyPI packages and wheels are targeted to specific Python versions, which > means that any project that depends on some of the larger extension packages > (of which there are many, and many of which are must-have for many projects) > now start lagging

[Python-Dev] Re: Worried about Python release schedule and lack of stable C-API

On 2021-09-26 00:14, jack.jan...@cwi.nl wrote: I’m getting increasingly worried about the future of Python, and those worries have been exacerbated by the new yearly release rhythm, and the lack of a stable C-API that is full enough to entice extension writers to use it. PyPI packages and