Re: [Python-Dev] pthreads, fork, import, and execvp

2006-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 5/16/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Coghlan wrote: Broadening the ifdef to cover all posix systems rather than just AIX might be the right thing to do. As I said: I doubt it is the right thing to do. Instead, the lock should get released in the child process if it is

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Donnerstag 18 Mai 2006 06:06 schrieb Dave Cinege: This is useful, but possibly better put into practice as a separate method?? I personally don't think it's particularily useful, at least not in the special case that your patch tries to address. 1) Generally, you won't only have one

Re: [Python-Dev] pthreads, fork, import, and execvp

2006-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neal Norwitz wrote: As I said: I doubt it is the right thing to do. Instead, the lock should get released in the child process if it is held at the point of the fork. I'm not sure if this bug can be reproduced now, but the comment in warnings.py points to: http://python.org/sf/683658

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 5/17/06, Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very oftenmake that very very very very very very very very very often, I find myself processing text in python that when .split()'ing a line, I'd like to exclude the split for a 'quoted' item...quoted because it contains whitespace or the

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Heiko Wundram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't get me wrong, I personally find this functionality very, very interesting (I'm +0.5 on adding it in some way or another), especially as a part of the standard library (not necessarily as an extension to .split()). It's already there. It's called

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Donnerstag 18 Mai 2006 10:21 schrieb Giovanni Bajo: Heiko Wundram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't get me wrong, I personally find this functionality very, very interesting (I'm +0.5 on adding it in some way or another), especially as a part of the standard library (not necessarily as an

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Heiko Wundram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't get me wrong, I personally find this functionality very, very interesting (I'm +0.5 on adding it in some way or another), especially as a part of the standard library (not necessarily as an extension to .split()). It's already there. It's called

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Donnerstag 18 Mai 2006 12:26 schrieb Giovanni Bajo: I believe the standard library already covers common usage. There will surely be cases where a custom lexer/splitetr will have to be written, but that's life The csv data field parser handles all common usage I have encountered so far,

Re: [Python-Dev] pthreads, fork, import, and execvp

2006-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: As I said: I doubt it is the right thing to do. Instead, the lock should get released in the child process if it is held at the point of the fork. I'm not sure if this bug can be reproduced now, but the comment in warnings.py points to:

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
Dave Cinege wrote: Very oftenmake that very very very very very very very very very often, I find myself processing text in python that when .split()'ing a line, I'd like to exclude the split for a 'quoted' item...quoted because it contains whitespace or the sep char. For example:

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
This is not an apropriate function to add as a string methods. There are too many conventions for quoting and too many details to get right. One method can't possibly handle them all without an enormous number of weird options. It's better to figure out how to do this with regexps or use some of

Re: [Python-Dev] pthreads, fork, import, and execvp

2006-05-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 16-mei-2006, at 23:20, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Nick Coghlan wrote: Broadening the ifdef to cover all posix systems rather than just AIX might be the right thing to do. As I said: I doubt it is the right thing to do. Instead, the lock should get released in the child process if it is held

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Donnerstag 18 Mai 2006 17:11 schrieb Guido van Rossum: (Did anyone mention the csv module yet? It deals with this too.) Yes, mentioned it thrice. ;-) --- Heiko. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] pthreads, fork, import, and execvp

2006-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Nick Coghlan wrote: And if I understand it correctly, it falls under the category that waiting for another thread while holding the import lock is a *really* bad idea from a thread safety point of view. The thing with the import-after-fork deadlock is that you can trigger it without even

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thursday 18 May 2006 03:00, Heiko Wundram wrote: Am Donnerstag 18 Mai 2006 06:06 schrieb Dave Cinege: This is useful, but possibly better put into practice as a separate method?? I personally don't think it's particularily useful, at least not in the special case that your patch tries

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thursday 18 May 2006 04:21, Giovanni Bajo wrote: It's already there. It's called shlex.split(), and follows the semantic of a standard UNIX shell, including escaping and other things. Not quite. As I said in my other post, simple is the idea for this, just like the split method itself.

Re: [Python-Dev] pthreads, fork, import, and execvp

2006-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ronald Oussoren wrote: Wouldn't this specific problem be fixed if os.fork were to acquire the import lock before calling fork(2)? Right. Of course, you need to release the lock then both in the parent and the child. Also, all places that currently do PyOs_AfterFork should get modified (i.e.

Re: [Python-Dev] New string method - splitquoted

2006-05-18 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Dave Cinege wrote: It's already there. It's called shlex.split(), and follows the semantic of a standard UNIX shell, including escaping and other things. Not quite. As I said in my other post, simple is the idea for this, just like the split method itself. (no escaping, etc.just

Re: [Python-Dev] total ordering.

2006-05-18 Thread Jason Orendorff
Vladimir, Your examples seem to indicate that you've misunderstood the change that's proposed for Python 3000. Especially this: On 5/17/06, Vladimir 'Yu' Stepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # BEGIN: Emulation python3000 if type(a) is not type(b) and (

[Python-Dev] Reminder: call for proposals Python Language and Libraries Track for Europython 2006

2006-05-18 Thread Samuele Pedroni
Registration for Europython (3-5 July) at CERN in Geneva is now open, if you feel submitting a talk proposal there's still time until the 31th of May. If you want to talk about a library you developed, or you know well and want to share your knowledge, or about how you are making the best out of

[Python-Dev] 2.5 schedule

2006-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
I moved up the 2.5 release date by a bit. Ideally, I wanted to have the final on July 27 which corresponds to OSCON. This seems too aggressive since I haven't updated the schedule publicly. So the new schedule has rc1 slated for July 27. http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0356/ So far