Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
See http://python.org/dev/bazaar/ for info. And if you have any other issues feel free to ask, Nick. I certainly can't speak for the respective mentors, but I feel that use bazaar really isn't the right answer to can I get commit access? One motivation for GSoC is also community bonding, and having the mentor (but not *only* the mentor) comment on the proposed changes, and monitor the progress of the project. That the development branch sits on the student's laptop doesn't really help in that process. Instead, the student would have to push the branch somewhere to a web-visible location. Now I question whether it's the student's obligation to find a server himself, or whether the mentoring org should provide the infrastructure (or, failing that, Google (*)). So I think an answer to the question above involving bazaar might be yes, but please don't commit to subversion, but only to the bazaar repository. Regards, Martin (*) FWIW, Google does provide the infrastructure; students are encouraged (required?) to commit their work to code.google.com. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] BSDDB3
I'm a bit nervous about syncing, because I have the feeling that python-dev is committing changes to python private branch of pybsddb. I would rather prefer patches send to me and integrate canonical pybsddb releases in Python frequently. My understanding was that the pybsddb copy in Python *is* the official code base. I think it's unfortunate that the pybsddb project was revived, even though it was already dead. Perhaps we should remove bsddb from Python again, and refer people to pybsddb instead? Somebody suggested to post patches in the tracker, but I think this is not going to work. The diff from current python bsddb and the official version is so huge that nobody could follow it. A more sensible approach, I think, is to diff current python pybsddb against the version I used as my root (January?), integrate the changes in current canonical pybsddb and, then, drop the entire updated package into python. -1. Who is going to do the 3k porting? I think this is the only way when integrating a project outside python SVN. Suggestions?. The usual solution is to not integrate then, at all. Python doesn't really ship with any libraries that also have an active life outside of Python. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PyArg_ParseTuple and Py_BuildValue question
On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 09:23 +0800, Alvin Delagon wrote: I'm currently writing a simple python SCTP module in C. So far it works sending and receiving strings from it. [...] I'm going to construct an SS7 packet in python using struct.pack(). Here's the question, how am I going to pass the packet I wrote in python to my module and back? I already asked this question in comp.lang.python but so far no responses yet. Have you tried posting to the C API mailing list? http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/capi-sig ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
On 23/04/2008, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://python.org/dev/bazaar/ for info. And if you have any other issues feel free to ask, Nick. I certainly can't speak for the respective mentors, but I feel that use bazaar really isn't the right answer to can I get commit access? [...] So I think an answer to the question above involving bazaar might be yes, but please don't commit to subversion, but only to the bazaar repository. Agreed. Can I also point out that Bazaar isn't an official repository for Python (yet). I don't want to open up the DVCS discussion again, but I have recently finished looking at both Bazaar and Mercurial for my personal use (including managing Python contributions) and decided on Mercurial. A significant part of the decision was the fact that in certain configurations, Bazaar is really, really slow. It feels a little like Bazaar is becoming the de facto DVCS solution for Python, and I'd like to avoid that happening until a proper evaluation has been done. Paul. PS If the fact that Bazaar repos are set up is an important factor here, I'd be willing to set up the equivalent Mercurial repos - although I would need access to the relevant boxes and possibly some admin assistance. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Encoding detection in the standard library?
On 2008-04-23 07:26, Terry Reedy wrote: Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I certainly agree that if the target set of documents is small enough it | | Ok. What advantage would you (or somebody working on a similar project) | gain if chardet was part of the standard library? What if it was not | chardet, but some other algorithm? It seems to me that since there is not a 'correct' algorithm but only competing heuristics, encoding detection modules should be made available via PyPI and only be considered for stdlib after a best of breed emerges with community support. +1 Though in practice, determining the best of breed often becomes a problem (see e.g. the JSON implementation discussion). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Apr 23 2008) Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...http://www.egenix.com/ mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...http://python.egenix.com/ Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,MacOSX for free ! eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
2008/4/23, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: See http://python.org/dev/bazaar/ for info. And if you have any other issues feel free to ask, Nick. I certainly can't speak for the respective mentors, but I feel that use bazaar really isn't the right answer to can I get commit access? One motivation for GSoC is also community bonding, and having the mentor (but not *only* the mentor) comment on the proposed changes, and monitor the progress of the project. That the development branch sits on the student's laptop doesn't really help in that process. Instead, the student would have to push the branch somewhere to a web-visible location. Now I question whether it's the student's obligation to find a server himself, or whether the mentoring org should provide the infrastructure (or, failing that, Google (*)). So I think an answer to the question above involving bazaar might be yes, but please don't commit to subversion, but only to the bazaar repository. Hi Martin, What is the point on having a branch in the svn repo if you won't be able to commit ? Maybe I misunderstood what you said, so maybe could you clarify that answer ? Regards, Martin (*) FWIW, Google does provide the infrastructure; students are encouraged (required?) to commit their work to code.google.com. It is required to submit the final and complete work done during GSoC to a project under code.google.com. That project will be automatically created after gsoc ends. But yeh, we could create another project there to use as a repo for the summer. And thank you, James Tauber, effbot and everyone else that accepted me as a student this year too. I guess I should create a new thread to introduce myself and my project =) Thanks, ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] pydoc works with eggs? (python-2.5.1)
Neal Becker wrote:
pydoc blew up when I tried to view doc for pytools module, which is an
egg:
pydoc -p 8082
pydoc server ready at http://localhost:8082/
Exception happened during processing of request from ('127.0.0.1', 52915)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/SocketServer.py, line 222, in handle_request
self.process_request(request, client_address)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/SocketServer.py, line 241, in
process_request
self.finish_request(request, client_address)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/SocketServer.py, line 254, in finish_request
self.RequestHandlerClass(request, client_address, self)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/SocketServer.py, line 522, in __init__
self.handle()
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/BaseHTTPServer.py, line 316, in handle
self.handle_one_request()
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/BaseHTTPServer.py, line 310, in
handle_one_request
method()
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 1924, in do_GET
self.send_document(describe(obj), html.document(obj, path))
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 321, in document
if inspect.ismodule(object): return self.docmodule(*args)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 672, in docmodule
contents.append(self.document(value, key, name, fdict, cdict))
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 322, in document
if inspect.isclass(object): return self.docclass(*args)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 807, in docclass
lambda t: t[1] == 'method')
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 735, in spill
funcs, classes, mdict, object))
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 323, in document
if inspect.isroutine(object): return self.docroutine(*args)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 891, in docroutine
getdoc(object), self.preformat, funcs, classes, methods)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/pydoc.py, line 79, in getdoc
result = inspect.getdoc(object) or inspect.getcomments(object)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/inspect.py, line 521, in getcomments
lines, lnum = findsource(object)
File /usr/lib64/python2.5/inspect.py, line 510, in findsource
if pat.match(lines[lnum]): break
IndexError: list index out of range
I see that installing the egg unzipped fixes this. It looks to me that
pydoc doesn't work with zipped eggs.
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Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: I certainly can't speak for the respective mentors, but I feel that use bazaar really isn't the right answer to can I get commit access? One motivation for GSoC is also community bonding, and having the mentor (but not *only* the mentor) comment on the proposed changes, and monitor the progress of the project. That the development branch sits on the student's laptop doesn't really help in that process. Students have to sign the contributor agreement anyway or we can't use their work. I don't see a problem with giving them svn commit privileges as long as they restrict themselves to their sandbox. (*) FWIW, Google does provide the infrastructure; students are encouraged (required?) to commit their work to code.google.com. People doesn't require the students to use their infrastructure. Google just wants three evaluations from the mentors (after the community bounding phase, mid term and at the end). Google also requires the student to send in a tarball with their work - patches, docs, tests and so on. The tarball is just required for legal reasons. Leslie once explained it's a social and legal hack to make the contract work and the lawyers happy. Christian ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PyArg_ParseTuple and Py_BuildValue question
He emailed me back saying that he found the solution to his problem. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Externally developed modules (was Re: BSDDB3)
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think this is the only way when integrating a project outside python SVN. Suggestions?. The usual solution is to not integrate then, at all. Python doesn't really ship with any libraries that also have an active life outside of Python. Not entirely true - we have the ones listed in PEP 360. However, I think of those only Optik (aka optparse) is currently seeing active external updates. Of course, we also have a big warning at the top of the PEP saying *Never Ever Do This Again*. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Brisbane, Australia --- http://www.boredomandlaziness.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] pydoc works with eggs? (python-2.5.1)
At 06:48 AM 4/23/2008 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Neal Becker wrote: pydoc blew up when I tried to view doc for pytools module, which is an egg: pydoc -p 8082 pydoc server ready at http://localhost:8082/ ... I see that installing the egg unzipped fixes this. It looks to me that pydoc doesn't work with zipped eggs. What's odd about this is that it *did* at one time. Or at least help() did. The changes I made in 2.5 were mainly so that help(package) would work on zipped eggs. From the traceback, it looks like the issue is that it's trying to parse comments out of the source for an object with no docstring. I didn't know it could do that, so I never tried testing it. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Encoding detection in the standard library?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When a web browser POSTs data, there is no standard way of communicating which encoding it's using. That's just not true. Web browser should and do use the encoding of the web page that originally contained the form. I wonder if the discussion is confusing two different things. Take a look at http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.13.4. There are two prescribed ways of sending form data: application/x-www-form-urlencoded, which can only be used with ASCII data, and multipart/form-data. ``The content type multipart/form-data should be used for submitting forms that contain files, non-ASCII data, and binary data.'' It's true that the page containing the form may specify which of these two forms to use, but the character encodings are determined by the choice. For web forms, I always encode the pages in UTF-8, and that always works. Should work, if you use the multipart/form-data format. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] BSDDB3
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a bit nervous about syncing, because I have the feeling that python-dev is committing changes to python private branch of pybsddb. I would rather prefer patches send to me and integrate canonical pybsddb releases in Python frequently. My understanding was that the pybsddb copy in Python *is* the official code base. I think it's unfortunate that the pybsddb project was revived, even though it was already dead. Perhaps we should remove bsddb from Python again, and refer people to pybsddb instead? +1 from me! The amount of issues the bsddb module has caused over the years suggests to me it would do better as an external project again. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
On Wed, Apr 23 2008 at 07:56:44AM BRT, Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin v. Löwis schrieb: I certainly can't speak for the respective mentors, but I feel that use bazaar really isn't the right answer to can I get commit access? One motivation for GSoC is also community bonding, and having the mentor (but not *only* the mentor) comment on the proposed changes, and monitor the progress of the project. That the development branch sits on the student's laptop doesn't really help in that process. Agreed. Using bazaar, at least in this context, involves pushing changes regularly to someplace visible, where the mentor and other developers may see and comment. Students have to sign the contributor agreement anyway or we can't use their work. I don't see a problem with giving them svn commit privileges as long as they restrict themselves to their sandbox. With that, http://python.org/dev/bazaar/ says anybody with write access to the Subversion repository can push their own branches to python.org, so GSoC students could use bzr and push their changes to python.org regularly, for mentor (and, more generally, core developers) comments. Cheers, rbp -- Rodrigo Bernardo Pimentel [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x0DB14978 ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] BSDDB3
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Jesus Cea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Trent Nelson wrote: | I remember those rampant BSDDB crashes on Windows well. [...] | basically, the tests weren't cleaning up their environment in | the right order, so BSDDB was getting passed completely and | utterly bogus values. Next week I will (if nothing goes wrong) publish pybsddb 4.6.4. This release supports distributed transactions and replication, testsuite is way faster, and rewritten to be able to launch tests from multiple threads/processes if you wish, setuptools/pypi support, etc. I think this release would be appropiate to integrate in Python. I think most demands are solved and new features are interesting (replication, distributed transactions, do not crash when closing objects in the wrong order...). Also, I completed the documentation, with the full supported API, and ported it to Python 2.6 documentation system. The result: http://www.jcea.es/programacion/pybsddb.htm#bsddb3-4.6.4 http://www.jcea.es/programacion/pybsddb_doc/preview/ I'm very interested in integrating this release in Python 2.6 for the new features, the full documentation, and to get feedback from Buildbot and python-dev community. Also, I would like to avoid to integrate pybsddb late in the python 2.6 release cycle; I hope to be away of my computer in August! :). I'm a bit nervous about syncing, because I have the feeling that python-dev is committing changes to python private branch of pybsddb. I would rather prefer patches send to me and integrate canonical pybsddb releases in Python frequently. Somebody suggested to post patches in the tracker, but I think this is not going to work. The diff from current python bsddb and the official version is so huge that nobody could follow it. A more sensible approach, I think, is to diff current python pybsddb against the version I used as my root (January?), integrate the changes in current canonical pybsddb and, then, drop the entire updated package into python. Agreed. I forked jcea's version found in his svn repository from python trunk at r60209. The only change to any Modules/*bsddb* files made to python trunk since then was me manually applying one bugfix that jcea had made in his repository. My goal all along had been to merge his changes back into python trunk until he had commit access. Obviously I haven't had time to do that. The changes to Lib/bsddb/* since then have been test suite updates which I think jcea should go through and selectively merge as appropriate into his repository (he has done a lot of test suite cleanup). ( svn:// svn.argo.es/jcea/pybsddb/trunk ) After that, merging his changes into trunk will be relatively easy and I think we should give jcea commit access and let him do it and henceforth use python svn as the official repository for the pybsddb code and documentation. I do not see this as a daunting task assuming jcea is willing to be volunteered to do the merge and to handle any py3k merge issues that come up. Alternatively: (removal of bsddb from the standard library) If people want to go the other route a remove bsddb from Python all together letting it thrive as a standalone addon module, what will this mean to the old shelve and dbhash standard library that use bsddb? Someone should write a sqlite backend for shelve. Either way it should not be removed from 2.6 as it needs to be marked at deprecated for one release round only to be taken out in 2.7 and that does leave open the question of should it exist in 3.0 at all or just start out deprecated there? -gps ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
What is the point on having a branch in the svn repo if you won't be able to commit ? Maybe I misunderstood what you said, so maybe could you clarify that answer ? What I meant is this: you need commit privileges regardless of whether you are going to use bazaar or subversion (i.e. even for bazaar, you still need commit privileges). So if mentors favor usage of bazaar over subversion, they still need to arrange their students to get commit privileges, and then ask them not to use these privileges for subversion, but only for bazaar (because we only have a single set of credentials that we manage). HTH, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Externally developed modules (was Re: BSDDB3)
The usual solution is to not integrate then, at all. Python doesn't really ship with any libraries that also have an active life outside of Python. Not entirely true - we have the ones listed in PEP 360. However, I think of those only Optik (aka optparse) is currently seeing active external updates. Hence my classification doesn't really, which I meant to be vague. Of course, we also have a big warning at the top of the PEP saying *Never Ever Do This Again*. I think that's what Guido once said. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Encoding detection in the standard library?
For web forms, I always encode the pages in UTF-8, and that always works. Should work, if you use the multipart/form-data format. Right - I was implicitly assuming that. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
2008/4/23 Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is the point on having a branch in the svn repo if you won't be able to commit ? Maybe I misunderstood what you said, so maybe could you clarify that answer ? What I meant is this: you need commit privileges regardless of whether you are going to use bazaar or subversion (i.e. even for bazaar, you still need commit privileges). So if mentors favor usage of bazaar over subversion, they still need to arrange their students to get commit privileges, and then ask them not to use these privileges for subversion, but only for bazaar (because we only have a single set of credentials that we manage). I see, thanks for clearing it up. But, what about giving students a branch in the svn and instructing them to commit only there ? (Chris mentioned this two emails ago). If for some reason svn is not the way to go, then I'm happy in using bazaar for commits anyway. Also, are you (PSF) planning to do this now or just at the official gsoc start ? And, is there some internal discussion going on to decide if students are going to get a branch or something at python repositories ? HTH, Martin -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
But, what about giving students a branch in the svn and instructing them to commit only there ? (Chris mentioned this two emails ago). If for some reason svn is not the way to go, then I'm happy in using bazaar for commits anyway. I think it's for the mentor to decide. I see no problems with svn - it's just that Brett suggested to use bazaar. Also, are you (PSF) planning to do this now or just at the official gsoc start ? And, is there some internal discussion going on to decide if students are going to get a branch or something at python repositories ? No, no discussion needed. The students should just send me their SSH keys, and their preferred form of firstname.lastname (some people may have names more complex than that), and I'll add them. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
Guilherme Polo schrieb: Also, are you (PSF) planning to do this now or just at the official gsoc start ? And, is there some internal discussion going on to decide if students are going to get a branch or something at python repositories ? I suggest we use the bounding period to set up the infrastructure for the students. I've already written a private mail to my student with several small tasks like subscribing to mailing lists, creating accounts at bugs.python.org + wiki.python.org, mailing the contribution agreement etc. By the end of the bounding period everything should be in place - including the working environment on the students' computers. Christian ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
