On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Jason Wilkins
jason.a.wilk...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't quite think I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that
mathematical models are not a good foundation for computer science because
computers are really made out of electronic gates?
No, I'm
I've released my third book, Hacking Secret Ciphers with Python for free
under a Creative Commons license. This book is aimed at people who have no
experience programming or with cryptography. The book goes through writing
Python programs that not only implement several ciphers but also can
I think there is some misunderstanding here. Being mathematical in
academic work is a way of making our ideas rigorous and precise, instead of
trying to peddle wooly nonsense.
I'm sorry. I am responsible for the misunderstanding. I used the
word math when I really mean symbolic logic
Ned Batchelder於 2013年4月20日星期六UTC+8上午12時41分03秒寫道:
On 4/19/2013 12:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:02:00 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
PS: a great C++ interview question is, What's the difference between a
class and a struct? Amazing how few self-professed C++
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:
The OP asked for a string, and I thought you were proposing the string
'null'. If one is to use a string, then 'NaN' makes the most sense,
since it can be converted back into a floating point NaN object.
I infer
On 20/04/2013 08:37, asweig...@gmail.com wrote:
I've released my third book, Hacking Secret Ciphers with Python for free
under a Creative Commons license. This book is aimed at people who have no experience
programming or with cryptography. The book goes through writing Python programs that
On 04/20/2013 01:37 AM, Fabian PyDEV wrote:
Hi,
when load a module mymodule.py with importlib.machinery.SourceFileLoader a
bytecode file is created as mymodule.cpython-33.pyc.
If I load a module mymodule.ext.py the same way the same bytecode file is
created as mymodule.cpython-33.pyc.
Is
19.04.13 20:59, b_erickson1 написав(ла):
I have python 2.6.2 and I trying to get it to unzip a file made with winzip
pro. The file extension is zipx. This is on a windows machine where I have to
send them all that files necessary to run. I am packaging this with py2exe. I
can open the
Am 19.04.2013 19:42, schrieb lcrocker:
I understand that for something like a server distribution, but Ubuntu
is a user-focused desktop distribution. It has a GUI, always. The
purpose of a distro like that is to give users a good experience. If I
install Python on Windows, I get to use Python.
I have a file such as:
$ cat my_data
Starting a new group
a
b
c
Starting a new group
1
2
3
4
Starting a new group
X
Y
Z
Starting a new group
I am wanting a list of lists:
['a', 'b', 'c']
['1', '2', '3', '4']
['X', 'Y', 'Z']
[]
I wrote this:
In a previous post,
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226#
,
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
“Is Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?”
--
Unicode is not really complicate and it works very well (more
than two decades of
On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote:
In a previous post,
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226#
,
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
“Is Unicode support so hard, especially in the 21st century?”
--
Unicode is not really complicate and it works
On 4/20/2013 1:09 PM, Jason Friedman wrote:
I have a file such as:
$ cat my_data
Starting a new group
a
b
c
Starting a new group
1
2
3
4
Starting a new group
X
Y
Z
Starting a new group
I am wanting a list of lists:
['a', 'b', 'c']
['1', '2', '3', '4']
['X', 'Y', 'Z']
[]
I wrote this:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote:
In a previous post,
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226#
,
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
“Is Unicode support so hard,
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
I'm totally confused about what you are saying. What does make a better
Unicode than Unicode mean? Are you saying that Python is guilty of this?
In what way? Can you provide specifics? Or are you saying that you
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Benjamin Kaplan
benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com
wrote:
On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote:
In a previous post,
On 20/04/2013 19:02, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
On 4/20/2013 1:12 PM, jmfauth wrote:
In a previous post,
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6aec70817705c226#
,
Chris “Kwpolska”
Dear Human!
The lecturer says at the beginning of the video, I am talking to
you as a human; it does not matter whether you are Christian, Jew,
Buddhist or Hindu. It does not matter whether you are a worshipper of
idols, atheist, religious, secularist, a man or woman. I talk and
address you as a
I am looking for the Python include and lib files for windows. I have a c++
project that I am importing into Visual Studio 2010 (express) and it links
python. I need the include and lib files for windows. Where can I get them?
I'd like to use python 3.3.1 if possible.
I found the msi on
Jason Friedman jsf80238 at gmail.com writes:
I have a file such as:
$ cat my_data
Starting a new group
a
b
c
Starting a new group
1
2
3
4
Starting a new group
X
Y
Z
Starting a new group
I am wanting a list of lists:
['a', 'b', 'c']
['1', '2', '3', '4']
['X',
On 2013.04.20 15:59, xuc...@gmail.com wrote:
I am looking for the Python include and lib files for windows. I have a c++
project that I am importing into Visual Studio 2010 (express) and it links
python. I need the include and lib files for windows. Where can I get them?
I'd like to use
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:59 PM, xuc...@gmail.com wrote:
I am looking for the Python include and lib files for windows. I have a
c++ project that I am importing into Visual Studio 2010 (express) and it
links python. I need the include and lib files for windows. Where can I get
them?
I'd like
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:22:55 +0300, Anssi Saari a...@sci.fi wrote:
In any case, cross compiling Python shouldn't be that hard. I
just recently built 2.7.3 for my OpenWRT router since the packaged
Python didn't have readline support (some long standing linking issue
with readline and ncurses and
Hi jmf,
This gives me plenty of ideas to test the flexible string
representation (FSR). I should recognize this FSR is failing
particulary very well...
This is too vague for me.
Which string representation should Python use?
1) UTF-32
2) UTF-8
3) Python 3.3 -- 1, 2, or 4 bytes per
Below is part of a script which shows the changes made to permit the
script to run on either Python 2.7 or Python 3.2.
I was surprised to see that the CSV next method is no longer available.
Suggestions welcome.
Colin W.
def main():
global inData, inFile
if ver == '2':
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Colin J. Williams c...@ncf.ca wrote:
Below is part of a script which shows the changes made to permit the script
to run on either Python 2.7 or Python 3.2.
I was surprised to see that the CSV next method is no longer available.
Suggestions welcome.
snip
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 19:46:07 -0400, Colin J. Williams wrote:
Below is part of a script which shows the changes made to permit the
script to run on either Python 2.7 or Python 3.2.
I was surprised to see that the CSV next method is no longer available.
This makes no sense. What's the CSV
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:09:42 -0600, Jason Friedman wrote:
I have a file such as:
$ cat my_data
Starting a new group
a
b
c
Starting a new group
1
2
3
4
Starting a new group
X
Y
Z
Starting a new group
I am wanting a list of lists:
['a', 'b', 'c']
['1', '2', '3', '4']
['X',
On 2013-04-21 00:06, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 19:46:07 -0400, Colin J. Williams wrote:
Below is part of a script which shows the changes made to permit
the script to run on either Python 2.7 or Python 3.2.
I was surprised to see that the CSV next method is no longer
On 4/20/2013 4:59 PM, xuc...@gmail.com wrote:
I am looking for the Python include and lib files for windows. I have a c++
project that I am importing into Visual Studio 2010 (express) and it links
python. I need the include and lib files for windows. Where can I get them?
I'd like to use
On 4/20/2013 8:34 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
In 2.x, the csv.reader() class (and csv.DictReader() class) offered
a .next() method that is absent in 3.x
In Py 3, .next was renamed to .__next__ for *all* iterators. The
intention is that one iterate with for item in iterable or use builtin
functions
On 04/20/2013 11:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Flash forward to current date, and jmf has hijacked so many threads to
moan about PEP 393 that I'm actually happy about this one, simply
because he gave it a new subject line and one appropriate to a
discussion about Unicode.
+1000
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On Apr 21, 4:03 am, Neil Hodgson nhodg...@iinet.net.au wrote:
Hi jmf,
This gives me plenty of ideas to test the flexible string
representation (FSR). I should recognize this FSR is failing
particulary very well...
This is too vague for me.
Which string representation should
How to clear the screen? For example, in the two player game. One player sets a
number and the second player guesses the number. When the first player enters
the number, it should be cleared so that the second number is not able to see
it. My question is how to clear the number.
Thank you!
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:37:00 -0700, rusi wrote:
According to jmf python sucks up to ASCII (those big bad Americans… of
whom Steven is the first…)
Watch who you're calling an American, mate.
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On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:37:00 -0700, rusi wrote:
According to jmf python sucks up to ASCII (those big bad Americans… of
whom Steven is the first…)
Watch who you're calling an American, mate.
I think
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
I'll create a separate issue for the tp_del - __del__ question, since that's a
language design decision that *does* need Guido's input, but doesn't relate to
the broader question of generators, cycles and potential memory leaks.
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This came up in issue 17468: currently, populating tp_del from C (as generators
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The rationale given in the initial commit is that there's no need to define a
wrapper, since tp_del
Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Issue 17800 is anyone wants to weigh in on the tp_del - __del__ question (I
ended up not adding Guido back to that one either, since the original design
was based on an assumption that's now demonstrably false, so it makes sense to
update the behaviour)
New submission from C Anthony Risinger:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/d499189e7758/Tools/scripts/gprof2html.py#l1
...should be self explanatory.
i didn't run into this myself, but i saw that the Archlinux package was fixing
it via `sed`, without the customary link to upstream... so here
Richard Oudkerk added the comment:
Would this mean that the destructor could be run more than once (or
prematurely)?
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Anssi Kääriäinen added the comment:
I wonder if it would be better to reword the garbage collection docs to mention
that Python can't collect objects if they are part of a reference cycle, and
some of the objects in the reference cycle need to run code at gc time. Then
mention that such
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New submission from Baptiste Mispelon:
When trying to parse the string `ab`, the parser raises an UnboundLocalError:
{{{
from html.parser import HTMLParser
p = HTMLParser()
p.feed('ab')
p.close()
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
File
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
I wonder if it would be better to reword the garbage collection docs
to mention that Python can't collect objects if they are part of a
reference cycle, and some of the objects in the reference cycle need
to run code at gc time. Then mention that such
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R. David Murray added the comment:
Thanks for the report. Yes, that's in a complicated bit of error recovery
code, and clearly you found a path through it that doesn't have a corresponding
test :)
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Sounds reasonable to me. Note that it won't remove the special-casing in
gcmodule.c:
static int
has_finalizer(PyObject *op)
{
if (PyGen_CheckExact(op))
return PyGen_NeedsFinalizing((PyGenObject *)op);
else
return op-ob_type-tp_del !=
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New submission from Yasuhiro Fujii:
Calling Tkinter.Tk() with baseName keyword argument throws UnboundLocalError on
Python 2.7.4.
A process to reproduce the bug:
import Tkinter
Tkinter.Tk(baseName=test)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
File
Anssi Kääriäinen added the comment:
I was imagining that the collection should happen in two passes. First check
for tp_dels and call them if safe (single tp_del in cycle allowed). Then free
the memory. The first pass is already there, it just doesn't collect callable
tp_dels.
If it would be
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R. David Murray added the comment:
Thanks for working on this, Demian. I made some review comments, mostly style
things about the tests.
There's one substantial comment about the change in behaivor of the full_url
property though (before patch it does not include the fragment, after the
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Vinay Sajip added the comment:
I've attached an alternative patch. The default socktype stays as
socket.SOCK_DGRAM, but you can specify socktype=None to get the SOCK_DGRAM
falling back to SOCK_STREAM behaviour.
Can you confirm that this alternative approach works in your environment? (This
R. David Murray added the comment:
Thanks for the report and patch. It would be nice to turn that test into a
unit test.
I've run the test on 3.4; this appears to be a 2.7 only bug.
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Benjamin Peterson added the comment:
In a sense, doing something like with self.lock in a generator is already a
leak. Even if there wasn't a cycle, collection could be arbitrarily delayed (in
partincular on non-CPython VMs). I wonder if making generators context managers
which call close()
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Those are two different issues:
- not calling the finalizer in a timely manner
- never calling the finalizer and creating a memory leak through
gc.garbage
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Benjamin Peterson added the comment:
I realize, but if people were responsible and closed their generators, the
second one would be as much of a problem.
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Ned Batchelder added the comment:
Attached a patch which simply removes the code that invokes the trace function.
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koobs added the comment:
These break what was addressed in #11729 for default, 3,x and 3.3.
2.7 seems to have made it through unscathed.
I'm not sure where or how the old code was introduced, but the clang fix has
been upstreamed and is correct in the pure libffi 3.0.13 sources
Failure to
Benjamin Peterson added the comment:
What exactly would calling such a wrapper do?
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Martin Morrison added the comment:
On 20/04/2013 03:54, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
It would be great to have a test for that. :)
I was afraid you'd say that. ;-)
I'll look at adding test cases to cover the functions not currently
covered (seems most of the print functions aren't, and all of the
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koobs added the comment:
heads-up: Tests are still failing on FreeBSD (gcc clang) buildbots:
http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20FreeBSD%209.0%20dtrace%202.7/builds/472/steps/test/logs/stdio
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
We can't make ordinary generators innately context managers, as it makes the
error too hard to detect when you accidentally leave out @contextmanager when
using a generator to write a custom one.
You can already use contextlib.closing to forcibly close them
Mark Lawrence added the comment:
The latest patch still applies cleanly, can we have it reviewed please.
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Barry A. Warsaw added the comment:
Ezio, the problem with your patch is that it also gives a warning on this code,
which is totally safe:
def good():
exc = None
try:
bar(int(sys.argv[1]))
except KeyError as e:
print('ke')
exc = e
except ValueError as e:
Nick Coghlan added the comment:
To get back to Anssi's original suggestion... I think Anssi's proposal to allow
finalisation to be skipped for try/except/else is legitimate. It's only finally
clauses that we try to guarantee will execute, there's no such promise implied
for ordinary except
Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Calling __del__ explicitly shouldn't be any worse than doing the same thing for
any other type implemented in Python (or, in the case of generators, calling
close() multiple times). What I'm mostly interested in is the can this type
cause uncollectable cycles
Benjamin Peterson added the comment:
I don't understand why we need to invent a protocol for this. The gc module
already has methods and members for introspecting the collection. I don't think
the gen special casing currently needs to be generalized. (What would use it?)
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
We *don't care* if the generator *would* have caught the thrown
GeneratorExit, we only care about ensuring that finally blocks are
executed (including those implied by with statements). So if there
aren't any finally clauses or with statements in the block
Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Yeah, I've figured out that rather than exposing __del__ if tp_del is
populated, or generalising the generator special case, the simplest way to make
this info accessible is to be able to ask the *garbage collector* if it thinks
an object needs finalising.
Alex Leach added the comment:
The configure.ac patch works for me, on x86_64 Arch Linux. I just updated to
GCC-4.8.0 and came across an overwhelming number of these warnings when
compiling extension modules. Thanks for the simple fix David.
Tested on hg branch 2.7; the testsuite completes
Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 97834382c6cc by Antoine Pitrou in branch 'default':
Issue #16694: Add a pure Python implementation of the operator module.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/97834382c6cc
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I've now commited the latest patch. Thank you very much, Zachary!
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Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 186f6bb3e46a by R David Murray in branch '3.3':
#17409: Document RLIM_INFINITY and use it to clarify the setrlimit docs.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/186f6bb3e46a
New changeset 9c4db76d073e by R David Murray in branch '2.7':
#17409: Document
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There being no objection :) I've committed the patch.
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Senthil Kumaran added the comment:
Agree with Demian Brecht. This issue is being closed in when two issues cover
the requirements discussed here.
* issue# 16901 - For Enhancing FileCookieJar
* issue# 9740 - For supporting persistant HTTP 1.1 connections.
(:-( on me)
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Could print_exception() in Lib/idlelib/run.py reuse new traceback functions?
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And don't forget about print_exception() in Lib/idlelib/run.py.
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Thanks!
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R. David Murray added the comment:
The message in both branches of the if talk about empty labels, which is
probably my fault since I got the sense of the if wrong in my suggestion. One
of them should be about the label being too long. The one that should be the
'empty' message also doesn't
Mike Lundy added the comment:
It doesn't fix it unless I change the configuration (and in some cases the
code) for every SyslogHandler across all of our projects, plus every single
library we use. Google around For SysLogHandler /dev/log socktype and then
compare with SysLogHandler /dev/log.
Alex Leach added the comment:
I've just ran into tp_version_tag, when running the boost python testsuite and
wondered what it was... Since upgrading to GCC 4.8, I've started to get a lot
more warnings with Python extensions, e.g.:-
boost/python/opaque_pointer_converter.hpp:122:14: warning:
Philip Jenvey added the comment:
and the code module (after #17442 is resolved)
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New changeset 1488e1f55f61 by Alexandre Vassalotti in branch 'default':
Issue #17785: Use a faster URL shortener for perf.py
http://hg.python.org/benchmarks/rev/1488e1f55f61
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Christian Heimes added the comment:
it seems like file() can't handle unicode file names on FreeBSD. The FS
encoding is 'US-ASCII' on Snakebite's FreeBSD box.
/home/cpython/users/christian.heimes/2.7/Lib/zipfile.py(1078)_extract_member()
- with self.open(member, pwd=pwd) as source, \
(Pdb)
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New changeset 37139694aed0 by Alexandre Vassalotti in branch '3.3':
Isuse #17720: Fix APPENDS handling in the Python implementation of Unpickler
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/37139694aed0
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nosy: +python-dev
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Changes by Alexandre Vassalotti alexan...@peadrop.com:
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resolution: - fixed
stage: patch review - committed/rejected
status: open - closed
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Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org
http://bugs.python.org/issue17720
New submission from Antoine Pitrou:
For certain applications, you want to unpack repeatedly the same pattern. This
came in issue17618 (base85 decoding), where you want to unpack a stream of
bytes as 32-bit big-endian unsigned ints. The solution adopted in issue17618
patch
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