Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-14 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Rhodri James (Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:57:42 -) On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:13:38 -, W. eWatson notval...@sbcglobal.net wrote: OK, enough tinkering with the code and others matters on my end trying to find a work around. Somehow after much successful use of IDLE's execution

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-14 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* W. eWatson (Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:58:33 -0800) Scott David Daniels wrote: OK, you are using the oldest and least useful revision control system, rename and remember. I'd suggest you get and use bazaar, but you'll just ask for shortcuts on how to use it without understanding what it does.

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-14 Thread Rhodri James
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:03:13 -, W. eWatson notval...@sbcglobal.net wrote: See my response to Scott. Thanks for your reply. I did. It was fundamentally mistaken in so many respects that I formally give up on you. -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste Herder to the Masses --

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-13 Thread W. eWatson
Terry Reedy wrote: W. eWatson wrote: From Diez above. What does *NOT* work is writing a Tkinter-based app in idle, and to run it *FROM INSIDE* idle. Instead, open your explorer and double-click on the pyhton-file your app is in. That's all that there is to it. So this is the absolute truth?

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-13 Thread Scott David Daniels
W. eWatson wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: W. eWatson wrote: From Diez above. What does *NOT* work is writing a Tkinter-based app in idle, and to run it *FROM INSIDE* idle. Instead, open your explorer and double-click on the pyhton-file your app is in. That's all that there is to it. So this is

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-13 Thread Rhodri James
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:13:38 -, W. eWatson notval...@sbcglobal.net wrote: OK, enough tinkering with the code and others matters on my end trying to find a work around. Somehow after much successful use of IDLE's execution facility, I've stepped on an invisible banana peel. I think

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-13 Thread W. eWatson
Scott David Daniels wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: W. eWatson wrote: From Diez above. What does *NOT* work is writing a Tkinter-based app in idle, and to run it *FROM INSIDE* idle. Instead, open your explorer and double-click on the pyhton-file your app is in. That's all that

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-13 Thread W. eWatson
... How can it? It's not IDLE's problem, it's yours. Finally, we can probably agree that I can continue to use IDLE for editing and syntax checking, but to guarantee successful execution of the program, I can just double-click on the py file in my folder. Perhaps there is a better way than

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-13 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:58:33 -0800, W. eWatson wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: OK, you are using the oldest and least useful revision control system, rename and remember. I'd suggest you get and use bazaar, but you'll just ask for shortcuts on how to use it without understanding what it

Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
It appears if one moves between IDLE and pythonWin (pyWin) that two separate loops (threads?) can occur, and that IDLE can produce incorrect results. Since I have preferred IDLE over pyWin, that leaves me currently in a quandry. How do I renew these processes, so that I can proceed with IDLE?

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
W. eWatson wrote: It appears if one moves between IDLE and pythonWin (pyWin) that two separate loops (threads?) can occur, and that IDLE can produce incorrect results. Since I have preferred IDLE over pyWin, that leaves me currently in a quandry. How do I renew these processes, so that I can

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: W. eWatson wrote: It appears if one moves between IDLE and pythonWin (pyWin) that two separate loops (threads?) can occur, and that IDLE can produce incorrect results. Since I have preferred IDLE over pyWin, that leaves me currently in a quandry. How do I renew these

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Done that. Been there. It doesn't work. If I take another py tkinter program and run it in IDLE, it *will work*. The current program goes boom. That's pure luck then. IDLE is written in Tkinter, and *running* Tkinter apps inside of it is bound to fail sooner or later. Failure might be as

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Mike Driscoll
On Feb 12, 8:57 am, W. eWatson notval...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Diez B. Roggisch wrote: W. eWatson wrote: It appears if one moves between IDLE and pythonWin (pyWin) that two separate loops (threads?) can occur, and that IDLE can produce incorrect results. Since I have preferred IDLE over

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? -- W. eWatson (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Web Page: www.speckledwithstars.net/ --

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
As with Diez, I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? Are you two telling me that it is impossible? OK, here's my offer to both of you. Do you have IDLE for Python 2.5 and have good familiarity with Tkinter? If so, I'll send you the code and you can try it yourself. My guess is that

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
W. eWatson wrote: As with Diez, I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? Are you two telling me that it is impossible? OK, here's my offer to both of you. Do you have IDLE for Python 2.5 and have good familiarity with Tkinter? If so, I'll send you the code and you can try it yourself.

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
W. eWatson wrote: As with Diez, I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? Are you two telling me that it is impossible? YES. That's what we and all the others who answered to you in the other thread are telling you, repeatedly. It is impossible. Really. No kidding. For sure. Jawoll, ganz

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Scott David Daniels
W. eWatson wrote: As with Diez, I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? Are you two telling me that it is impossible? OK, here's my offer to both of you. Do you have IDLE for Python 2.5 and have good familiarity with Tkinter? If so, I'll send you the code and you can try it yourself.

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Terry Reedy
W. eWatson wrote: As with Diez, I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? Are you two telling me that it is impossible? Try this analogy. One television, two stubborn kids that want to watch different programs. One has the remote, the other the buttons on the TV. What happens? How

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Rhodri James
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:44:56 -, W. eWatson notval...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I simply ask, How do I get around the problem? Run your program from the command line, or by double-clicking. You've been told this several times now. -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste Herder to the Masses --

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
Greetings and salutations. I just uninstalled all traces of (Active) pythonWin 2.5.2 from this machine, In fact, I uninstalled python 2.5.2 with IDLE from this machine. I then reinstalled the latter. Then I ran the program. XP Pro. I then went to another machine that has never had pythonWin

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Rhodri James
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:16:38 -, W. eWatson notval...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Greetings and salutations. I just uninstalled all traces of (Active) pythonWin 2.5.2 from this machine, In fact, I uninstalled python 2.5.2 with IDLE from this machine. I then reinstalled the latter. Then I ran

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread W. eWatson
From Diez above. What does *NOT* work is writing a Tkinter-based app in idle, and to run it *FROM INSIDE* idle. Instead, open your explorer and double-click on the pyhton-file your app is in. That's all that there is to it. So this is the absolute truth? No wiggle room? One can never use a

Re: Untangling pythonWin and IDLE Processes on XP Pro

2009-02-12 Thread Terry Reedy
W. eWatson wrote: From Diez above. What does *NOT* work is writing a Tkinter-based app in idle, and to run it *FROM INSIDE* idle. Instead, open your explorer and double-click on the pyhton-file your app is in. That's all that there is to it. So this is the absolute truth? No wiggle room? One