On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:50:52 PM UTC-6, rh wrote:
Choices are good. [...] Having one choice is a mess. And
look back at history and current events
Sometimes choices are forced upon you without your consent or even without
regard for the end users' well-being. In this case choices are no
* rh richard_hubb...@lavabit.com [130307 20:21]:
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:55:12 -0900
Tim Johnson t...@akwebsoft.com wrote:
I believe that indifference on the part of Python to fastcgi is a
self-inflicted wound. I don't believe that there is any good
excuse for such indifference,
On Mar 8, 9:50 am, rh richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote:
Choices are good.
Having one choice is a mess. And look back at history and current events
if you don't see that.
See http://www.perl.com/pub/1999/03/pm.html for how a real post-modern
hip language gives endless choice. Also called
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:58:12 -0800, rusi wrote:
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
Where there is choice there is no freedom
http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1954/1954-03-03-jiddu-
krishnamurti-8th-public-talk
Surely that should be, where
On Mar 8, 10:47 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:58:12 -0800, rusi wrote:
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
Where there is choice there is no freedom
http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1954/1954
rusi wrote:
Anyone who's used emacs will know this as the bane of FLOSS software
-- 100 ways of doing something and none perfect -- IOW too much
spurious choice.
This is a fallacy. Just because someone claims that there are 100 ways of
doing something and none perfect, it doesn't mean that
On 7 March 2013 09:28, Rui Maciel rui.mac...@gmail.com wrote:
rusi wrote:
Anyone who's used emacs will know this as the bane of FLOSS software
-- 100 ways of doing something and none perfect -- IOW too much
spurious choice.
This is a fallacy. Just because someone claims that there are
On Thursday, March 7, 2013 3:28:41 AM UTC-6, Rui Maciel wrote:
rusi wrote:
Anyone who's used emacs will know this as the bane of FLOSS software
-- 100 ways of doing something and none perfect -- IOW too much
spurious choice.
This is a fallacy. Just because someone claims that there
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Rick Johnson
rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
If we are going to split into sects, then we should at least abstract away
the parts that we agree on, and then collectively EXTEND our selfish versions
from that single abstraction.
We've already done that.
On Mar 7, 2:52 pm, Sven sven...@gmail.com wrote:
This thread reminds me of an article I read recently:
http://rubiken.com/blog/2013/02/11/web-dev-a-crazy-world.html
Ha Ha! Thanks for that.
Of course its exaggerated. But then hyperbole can tell a story that
logic cannot.
--
Value Investing web site in
either Ruby on Rails or Django. The Ruby on Rails route will require
rewriting my Python script in Ruby. The Django route will require learning
Django. (I'm not sure which one will be easier.)
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than
.)
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
Where there is choice there is no freedom
http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1954/1954-03-03-jiddu-krishnamur...
blic-talk
Python-for-web offered so much choice -- zope, django, turbogears,
cherrypy, web.py etc
which one will be easier.)
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
2. Why is there a much stronger demand for Ruby on Rails developers than
Django/Python developers?
3. If Doppler Value Investing were your project instead of mine, would you
recommend the Ruby
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
AFAIK Rails got a slightly longer head start than Django. And it has
been said that RoR's first killer app was a screencast. A little
marketing can go a long way. Since then Django has caught up a bit with
RoR in terms
* mar...@python.net mar...@python.net [130306 09:31]:
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
If you already know/work with Python than I would go the Django route.
RoR and Django are not that much different nowadays as far as
methodologies. The main
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 10:03:14 -0800, Jason Hsu wrote:
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django? 2. Why is there
a much stronger demand for Ruby on Rails developers than Django/Python
developers?
Fashion.
Demand for technology is usually driven more by copying
On Mar 7, 9:58 am, Steven D'Aprano steve
+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Neither. I'd be rather tempted to try doing it in CherryPy. But then,
what do I know, I'm just as much a follow of fashion as the next guy.
All of the cool kids are using Pyramid these days.
--
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 02:16 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
I had problems getting django to work on my hostmonster account
which is shared hosting and supports fast_cgi but not wsgi. I put
that effort on hold for now, as it was just RD for me, but
I would welcome you to take a look at
* Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org [130306 17:14]:
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 02:16 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
I had problems getting django to work on my hostmonster account
which is shared hosting and supports fast_cgi but not wsgi. I put
that effort on hold for now, as it was
in Ruby. The Django route will require learning
Django. (I'm not sure which one will be easier.)
My questions:
1. Why is Ruby on Rails much more popular than Django?
Where there is choice there is no freedom
http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1954/1954-03-03-jiddu-krishnamurti-8th-public-talk
On Mar 6, 11:03 pm, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm currently in the process of learning Ruby on Rails. I'm going through
the Rails for Zombies tutorial, and I'm seeing the power of Rails.
I still need to get a Ruby on Rails site up and running for the world to see.
(My first
On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:58:12 PM UTC-6, rusi wrote:
Where there is choice there is no freedom
[snip link]
Python-for-web offered so much choice -- zope, django, turbogears,
cherrypy, web.py etc etc -- that the newbie was completely drowned.
With Ruby there is only one choice to make
r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
[Why not Ruby?]
Becasue it is off topic in CL.perl.M just as in any other NG he posted
to.
Face it, the world needs people like Xah. Go check out his site, his
Oh my good, the idiot discovered alter egos.
There is nothing wrong with a person expressing their opinion
On Jan 2, 6:54 pm, Gerry Reno gr...@verizon.net wrote:
There's been almost 50 responses to this rubbish post. Could you please
all stop!
Donde es Xah Lee?
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Hey Lee,
I really like your overview of the official Python tut, it's spot on,
and your study of OOP was quite fascinating! I like people who are
honest and not afraid to go up against the status quo, although i will
admit you go a little further than i might at times :). But the world
needs an
Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote in message
news:861vvnqqzl@blue.stonehenge.com...
r == r rt8...@gmail.com writes:
r Xah, I been watching your posts for sometime and it looks like you
r have been around for a while. Your profile shows one star 410
r ratings. I have only
En Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:00:01 -0200, r rt8...@gmail.com escribió:
Steven i got you NOW!
Everybody go and look at this thread, there Mr. Makinzie butts in and
posts an off-topic question, and Steven answers it, contributing to
the off-topicalitly of the thread. And has yet to apologize for it, or
On Jan 5, 7:31 am, Tim Rowe digi...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/1 r rt8...@gmail.com:
I am beginning to think
the perfect high level language would take the best for Ruby and
Python. The ultimate language with speed in mind, pythons clear
syntax, but with shortcuts for gurus.
I spent quite
2009/1/1 r rt8...@gmail.com:
I am beginning to think
the perfect high level language would take the best for Ruby and
Python. The ultimate language with speed in mind, pythons clear
syntax, but with shortcuts for gurus.
I spent quite a few evenings looking at Ruby, and didn't find a single
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:00:01 -0800, r wrote:
On Jan 2, 6:45 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:38:02 -0800, r wrote:
He was not cross posting.
You don't actually know what cross-posting is, do you?
You've just earned a plonking for the
On Jan 1, 3:55 am, Roger rdcol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 31, 12:55 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
Who are you?
In case no one tells you, you are a cocky, egotistical windbag with
opinions
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:19:38 -0800, Fuzzyman wrote:
On Jan 2, 12:16 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:53 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote:
On many occasions I've wished for a functional dictionary
implementation in Python, like Haskell's
Steven D'Aprano a écrit :
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:35:54 -0800, r wrote:
(snip stupid troll)
You really are an idiot.
Steven, this bozo is just another Xah Lee, so don't waste your time with
him. We all know how to deal with trolls, don't we ?
--
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:38:02 -0800, r wrote:
He was not cross posting.
You don't actually know what cross-posting is, do you?
You've just earned a plonking for the next month. Do try to have at least
half a clue by February.
--
Steven
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On 02 Jan 2009 12:45:36 GMT Steven D'Aprano
st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote:
You've just earned a plonking for the next month. Do try to have at
least half a clue by February.
I will state again that there seems to have been a slight change of
tone in clp lately.
How about we
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:57:06 +0100
Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote:
You clearly have a personal issue with Xah Lee. Possibly it is better
you killfile him or your spring will over wind :-;
What good does a killfile do if people insist on repeating his posts in
their entirety?
Please
On Jan 2, 6:45 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:38:02 -0800, r wrote:
He was not cross posting.
You don't actually know what cross-posting is, do you?
You've just earned a plonking for the next month. Do try to have at least
half a
Xah Lee wrote:
Q: Do you condemn Ruby?
No. I think it's reasonably elegant, but today there are too many
languages, so Ruby don't particularly standout for me. Many of them,
are arguably quite more elegant and powerful than Ruby.
There is one thing that Ruby is exceptionally good for and
Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote on Thu, 01 Jan 2009:
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple, irrelevant
news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it.
No rhyme nor reason? It's quite clear, to me, why. How is a comparison
Don Geddis wrote:
Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote on Thu, 01 Jan 2009:
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
irrelevant
news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it.
No rhyme nor reason? It's quite clear, to me, why.
There's been almost 50 responses to this rubbish post. Could you please
all stop!
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On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see much evidence of that in the sometimes never-
ending threads that frequently follow his postings. But it is good
r == r rt8...@gmail.com writes:
r Xah, I been watching your posts for sometime and it looks like you
r have been around for a while. Your profile shows one star 410
r ratings. I have only been in usenet for 2 month and i have one star
r and 253 ratings(that will grow to much more after this
s...@netherlands.com wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:16:41 -0500, Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
* Why Not Ruby?
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/why_not_Ruby.html
In comp.lang.lisp r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
Face it, the world needs people like Xah. Go check out his site, his
insights of languages and tech is fascinating. The man lives in a
world driven by common sense, and you know what they say --Common
sense is the least most common thing-- just look
On Jan 1, 2:05 am, Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see much evidence of that in the sometimes never-
Xah Lee,
I also didn't like the fact that ruby uses keyword end to indicate
code block much as Pascal and Visual Basic, Logo, do. I don't like
that.
You could not be more right Xah, the use of end in a language as
high level as Ruby is redundant, and idiotic. There are a few things
about Ruby
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, s...@netherlands.com wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:16:41 -0500, Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com
wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
Be carefull what you say. If they pay me I
r rt8...@gmail.com writes:
I am beginning to think
the perfect high level language would take the best for Ruby and
Python. The ultimate language with speed in mind, pythons clear
syntax, but with shortcuts for gurus.
You might like Tim Sweeney's POPL talk:
On Jan 1, 8:32 pm, Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
[snip...]
Of course pythons list, dict, strings in my opinion just can't be beat,
On many occasions I've wished for a functional dictionary
implementation in Python, like Haskell's Data.Map. One of these years
I'll get around
Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com writes:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see much evidence of that in the sometimes never-
ending threads that
r rt8...@gmail.com writes:
On Jan 1, 2:05 am, Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see much evidence of
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
This is not a Ruby group.
I recommend you to go waste your time there.
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
irrelevant news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's best
to just filter the
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:28:08 +0100, Richard Riley wrote:
posts controversial but always interesting. His ELisp tutorial is far
and away better than anything else out there for the programmer moving
to Elisp IMO. He backs up his points with reasons and supportive
Programmers don't move to
Tamas K Papp tkp...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:28:08 +0100, Richard Riley wrote:
posts controversial but always interesting. His ELisp tutorial is far
and away better than anything else out there for the programmer moving
to Elisp IMO. He backs up his points with reasons and
Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes:
Tamas K Papp tkp...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:28:08 +0100, Richard Riley wrote:
posts controversial but always interesting. His ELisp tutorial is far
and away better than anything else out there for the programmer moving
to Elisp
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote:
Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com writes:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
Richard Riley wrote:
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
This is not a Ruby group.
I recommend you to go waste your time there.
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
irrelevant news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's
Richard Riley wrote:
Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com writes:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see much evidence of that in the sometimes
Richard Riley wrote:
Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com writes:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see much evidence of that in the sometimes never-
Raymond Wiker r...@rawmbp.local writes:
Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes:
Tamas K Papp tkp...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:28:08 +0100, Richard Riley wrote:
posts controversial but always interesting. His ELisp tutorial is far
and away better than anything else out
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
Richard Riley wrote:
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
This is not a Ruby group.
I recommend you to go waste your time there.
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
irrelevant news groups.
Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com writes:
Richard Riley wrote:
Jason Rumney jasonrum...@gmail.com writes:
On Jan 1, 3:12 pm, r rt8...@gmail.com wrote:
The man lives in a world driven by common sense
Common sense suggests that his views are shared among the general
populace. I don't see
Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote:
discussion about alternative languages for modern development? Most news
readers feature a kill thread command if you are not interested in the
content. Certainly less extreme or ignorant than killing all posts from
someone
Thank you for reminding me
Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com wrote:
Xah has
something to say about technology, like what he says or not.
Unfortunately it's unrelated to the topics the NGs he is spamming.
*PLONK*
jue
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:53 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote:
On many occasions I've wished for a functional dictionary implementation
in Python, like Haskell's Data.Map. One of these years I'll get around
to writing one.
You don't think Python's dict implementation is functional? That's pretty
Richard Riley wrote:
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
Richard Riley wrote:
Tim Greer t...@burlyhost.com writes:
Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
This is not a Ruby group.
I recommend you to go waste your time there.
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
On Jan 2, 12:16 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:53 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote:
On many occasions I've wished for a functional dictionary implementation
in Python, like Haskell's Data.Map. One of these years I'll get around
to writing
for that matter that they feel is
irrelevant to them. The topic of a thread is it's title. Here, the
title is Why Not Ruby. I am the only person yet to offer argument
for or against Ruby here.
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On Jan 1, 6:16 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:53 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote:
On many occasions I've wished for a functional dictionary implementation
in Python, like Haskell's Data.Map. One of these years I'll get around
to writing
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:35:54 -0800, r wrote:
the use of end in a language as
high level as Ruby is redundant, and idiotic. There are a few things
about Ruby i really like, but this end business is blasphemy.
Blasphemy?
You really are an idiot. Programming languages are not religions. Step
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:13:19 -0800, Fuzzyman wrote:
Care to save me the effort of looking it up and tell me what Data.Map
does that Python's dict doesn't?
I guess if it is functional then every mutation must copy and return a
new data structure? (Which will be much more efficient in Haskell
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
You don't think Python's dict implementation is functional?
I'm using the term functional in the sense of Chris Okasaki's book
Purely Functional Data Structures. Basically a functional dictionary
is an immutable dictionary that
Marek Kubica ma...@xivilization.net writes:
I guess if it is functional then every mutation must copy and return a
new data structure?
Yes.
(Which will be much more efficient in Haskell than
in Python - Haskell can share most of the underlying data whereas Python
would have to create
On Jan 1, 7:38 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:35:54 -0800, r wrote:
the use of end in a language as
high level as Ruby is redundant, and idiotic. There are a few things
about Ruby i really like, but this end business is blasphemy.
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
* Why Not Ruby?
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/why_not_Ruby.html
plain text version follows:
--
Why Not Ruby?
Xah Lee, 2008-12-31
Spent about 3 hours
On Dec 31, 12:55 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
Who are you?
In case no one tells you, you are a cocky, egotistical windbag with
opinions that border constructive but never gets there. Why would
On 31 Dic, 18:55, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
* Why Not Ruby?
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/why_not_Ruby.html
plain text version follows:
--
Why
Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
This is not a Ruby group.
I recommend you to go waste your time there.
That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
irrelevant news groups. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's best
to just filter the guy's posts.
--
Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO,
Roger a écrit :
On Dec 31, 12:55 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
(snip)
Who are you?
His name is Xah Lee, and he's a well(hem)known troll. Just ignore him.
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Xah Lee wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
* Why Not Ruby?
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/why_not_Ruby.html
plain text version follows:
--
Why Not Ruby?
Xah Lee, 2008-12
2008/12/31 Giampaolo Rodola' gne...@gmail.com:
On 31 Dic, 18:55, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
[...]
--- Giampaolo
http://code.google.com/p/pyftpdlib
Hey, Giampaolo:
I had gone to the trouble to filter out the posts
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:16:41 -0500, Kenneth Tilton kentil...@gmail.com wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
Just spent 3 hours looking into Ruby today. Here's my short impression
for those interested.
* Why Not Ruby?
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/why_not_Ruby.html
plain text version follows
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