Terry Reedy wrote:
PyGui seems to be purely a gui package, but it appear to be aimed only
at 2.x with no interest in 3.x.
I'm working on 3.x conversion right now and should have
something ready soon.
--
Greg
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
How complete is this GUI lib compared with others that can be used in
Python apps?
It has most of the basic things you would want. There are one
or two gaps, and I'm working on filling them.
Get the library and its documentation included in the core Python
On 03/02/2011 07:40 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
How complete is this GUI lib compared with others that can be used in
Python apps?
It has most of the basic things you would want. There are one
or two gaps, and I'm working on filling them.
What are those gaps?
--
Corey Richardson wrote:
What are those gaps?
That depends on what you consider to be essential.
Things I would like to add include:
* Combo box
* Group box
* Tab panel (aka notebook)
* Table view
* Tree view
* Rich text editor
--
Greg
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rantingrick wrote:
All we have to do is create an abstraction API that
calls wxPython until we can create OUR OWN wxPython from WxWidgets.
There seems to be at least one other project around
like that:
http://dabodev.com/
--
Greg
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On 23 Jan, 01:07, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
It is time to prove once and for all how dated and worthless Tkinter
is compared to wxPython. Yes, WxPython is not as advanced as i would
like it to be for a 21st century GUI library.
So use PyQt instead.
However compared to
Are you a representative voice for all the screen reader users? (Even
though
most of them use JAWS that you don't seem to like)
Newsflash: I didn't say I didn't like Jaws, and I'm using Jaws -right
now-. I don't like jaws and see a lot of future for NVDA as it is both
free and open source. I
On Jan 28, 9:15 am, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
If you want to rant and scream about accessibility, yell at the
people charging an arm and a leg to make things accessible.
You make a good point as we could always use more opensource, free,
and reasonably priced software.
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
To be honest, i would sacrifice all the functionality of
wxWidgets if we could get pyGUI into the stdlib. Why? Well because
pyGUI would be under OUR complete control.
You would need to contribute something other than bullshit and
vitriol in order to be
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
nor presumably in communication itself?
No, I don't want to say that, but I want to say that if it is obviously that
the others don't care about the main issue discussed, then the
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
You said that you don't care about convincing anybody either that
accessibility is import or about convincing anybody to do anything
about it. To me that means you don't care about accessiblity.
And you are wrong. If you don't try to convince
From: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessibility
of each of those set?
Thank you for
From: Giampaolo Rodolà g.rod...@gmail.com
...
py2exe offers the following installation kits, depending on the Python
version. If you know, please tell me why there are different packages for
different versions of Python?
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.5.exe
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.4.exe
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with WxPython and I
have posted here what I found, hoping that there will appear
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
what JAWS insert rest of bullshit here
Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now?
I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good,
that I am not civilized, because I have a different opinion than them.
I am sure
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are you
trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider not
equal to a group of healthy people?
From: Corey Richardson kb1...@aim.com
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
Oh, how can Guido say this about that bad
From: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
(from http://www.wxpython.org/quotes.php)
Of
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
I think there are a lot of people who think that including a GUI in
the standard library was a mistake and the best solution would be to
get rid of Tkinter and replace it with nothing. If I were Guido and
thought that, I'd probably keep mum about it
From: alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com
Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib.
I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members
start with the idea that all the list members know who is who and they
may
Exactly what I said. They are doing the same mistake as I did 20 years
ago.
and are still making now... Lack of English and grammar isn't the
problem...
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying While i
won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well.
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
diverting it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.
--
From: rusi rustompm...@gmail.com
Its quite clear to everyone here that
-- Octavian has no interest in a 21st century snazzy-looking toolkit
Oh well I am interested, but with the condition that toolkit to be
accessible, however Tkinter is not.
Is it too much to expect from a 21st century
From: Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him.
Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good and
normal one, right?
Octavian
--
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I
actually cared about before and thought was important.
When I told about what the community of the blind
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying While i
won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well.
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and diverting
it into your own meaning for what you
On Jan 28, 2:33 am, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different
On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind was very
important for. But
On Jan 27, 3:49 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:
Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying While i
won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well.
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
diverting it into your own
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
How can we talk about etiquette when exactly this etiquette is the one that
needs to be changed?
Huh?
As you say, the etiquette is in favor of the preferences of the majority,
but how should react someone, what he/she should say in
On Jan 28, 8:18 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
on a project that I
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him.
Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good
and normal one,
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with
WxPython and I
On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
I strongly disagree with this statement.
--Kevin
--
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com
--
On Jan 28, 10:16 am, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
I strongly disagree with this statement.
(BTW, Kevin,
On 1/28/11 6:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
on a project that I thought accessibility
On 28/01/2011 08:34, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
what JAWS insert rest of bullshit here
Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now?
I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good,
that I am not civilized, because I
On Jan 28, 9:52 am, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote:
[plonk]
Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
actually care?
On 1/28/2011 3:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets
*as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native'
On Jan 28, 10:16 am, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
I strongly disagree with this statement.
Whether you
On Jan 28, 2:37 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 1/28/2011 3:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Get the library and its documentation included in the core Python
distribution, so that truly cross-platform GUI applications may be written
that will run on any Python installation,
Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
On 1/28/2011 1:35 PM, rantingrick
On 1/28/11 12:35 PM, rantingrick wrote:
The fact remains.
The word fact does not mean what you think it means.
--
Stephen Hansen
... Also: Ixokai
... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io
... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/
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Rick:
Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
Tyler:
You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
Yes i do, and i
On 1/25/11 12:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:24:24 -0800, Robin Dunn wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:03 pm, rantingrickrantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:57 pm, Robin Dunnro...@alldunn.com wrote:
BTW, on behalf of the wxPython community I'd like to apologize for
the havoc
On Jan 27, 10:47 pm, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote:
So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
nor presumably in communication itself?
A Goedel-ian meta-recursion problem here Grant:
You want to communicate the need for communication to one who does
From: Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com
in? Robin Dunn is the wxPython project lead.
Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib.
I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members
start with the idea that all the list members know who is who
From: Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de
Please don't use the lower Linux user percentage as an argument here. If
you follow that path further, you would need to agree that it's only an
insignificant percent of people who need a screen reader, so why bother?
I didn't say that the Linux users
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
It doesn't support a good voice synthesizer like Eloquence or IBM Via
voice, but only eSpeak which sounds horrible, it doesn't have a scripting
language
ready to use as JAWS and Window Eyes do, it doesn't offer the possibility
of reading with the
From: geremy condra debat...@gmail.com
The bottom line is that, yes, you do still have to convince people
that accessibility is important if you want them to do anything about
it. I have to do almost exactly the same thing in my field- everybody
knows that security is important, but every time I
From: Brendan Simon (eTRIX) brendan.si...@etrix.com.au
Since it seems the python motto is Batteries included, then it would
seem to me that wxPython is the natural fit as it also has Batteries
included (e.g. accessibility, native look-n-feel, mature and evolving,
can produce simple or complex
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
And, based on your behavior, you apparently don't like convincing
others or advancing the cause of accessibility. It seems you prefer to
annoy and alienate others.
From what I said, what was annoying?
I don't want to convince anyone, but I just
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
I don't want to convince anyone, but I just want to inform the others
and let them know if they are doing something not recommended.
not recommended by -you-, which is different than by a community or the
subset of people you are attempting to
wxPython is not suitable for inclusion for many reasons.
One reason is that it is a *huge* library which requires a lot of
constant work (bugfixing, documentation, lots of commits, etc...)
which cannot weight on python development.
Keeping the two worlds separated is better for both of them,
Octavian,
If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because it
doesn't support accessability.
In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can easily
be made accessable under Linux and Mac OS X.
Rather than throw out Tkinter entirely, why not work with the
From: pyt...@bdurham.com
Octavian,
If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because it
doesn't support accessability.
In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can easily
be made accessable under Linux and Mac OS X.
Rather than throw out Tkinter
but what's wrong is that Python promotes a GUI which is not accessible
by including it as a default GUI.
You seem to have overlooked this multiple times and instead decided to
shove words in my mouth and continue on your line of selfishness which
is justified
apparently now by the fact that you
Eloq is an add-on, but it does support it.
but only eSpeak which sounds horrible
That's your personal preference. Plenty use and like ESpeak.
it doesn't have a scripting language ready to use as JAWS and Window
Eyes do,
Scripting is done in Python, (no, not some native scripting language),
and
We are talking about accessibility here. Are you saying that Tkinter
can be recommended from the perspective of accessibility?
See my comment about shoving words in people's mouths; I did not hint,
nor did I come near saying that in that message.
On 1/27/2011 1:17 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said...
As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
backward compatibility
Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the intent.
But otherwise, I think there's another miscommunication behind this...
See
On 1/26/11 11:02 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
backward compatibility
What? Nonsense.
There are strict compatibility requirements.
There was a one-time break with these; 2.x-3.x -- but that's it. It may
never happen again. If
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
but what's wrong is that Python promotes a GUI which is not accessible
by including it as a default GUI.
You seem to have overlooked this multiple times and instead decided to
shove words in my mouth and continue on your line of selfishness which
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
It doesn't support a good voice synthesizer like Eloquence or IBM Via
voice
Eloq is an add-on, but it does support it.
If you are saying this, it means that you haven't used it for a long time, or
you just heard about it by searching on the web.
On Jan 27, 3:35 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
A certain small subset of any group will always be emotionally driven.
However we should not concern ourselves with this sort of non-
objectivity.
So, would this be like when rr disqualified himself by demanding posters
have at
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Tk itself is purely a gui package -- abstract widgits, geometry placers
to make them visible, and an event system to make them active. But it
does have the baggage of needing tcl included. About a decade ago, some
people had the idea of removing the tcl
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes you might be right. It is just my way of communicating and it
might be too direct and some people might not like it.
Too direct is putting it mildly.
I always consider the expressions like How do you do as having
absolutely no
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
And, based on your behavior, you apparently don't like convincing
others or advancing the cause of accessibility. It seems you prefer to
annoy and alienate others.
From what I said, what was
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: pyt...@bdurham.com Octavian,
If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because
it doesn't support accessability.
In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can
easily be made accessable
From: Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com
On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said...
As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
backward compatibility
Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the intent.
To be sincere I was thinking to the
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
We are talking about accessibility here. Are you saying that Tkinter
can be recommended from the perspective of accessibility?
See my comment about shoving words in people's mouths; I did not hint,
nor did I come near saying that in that message.
On 1/27/11 9:55 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
People will not separate your personality from the cause you espouse.
Wow! that's really bad.
It's less than ideal, but it the way people are.
On Jan 27, 1:28 am, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Brendan Simon (eTRIX) brendan.si...@etrix.com.au
Since it seems the python motto is Batteries included, then it would
seem to me that wxPython is the natural fit as it also has Batteries
included (e.g. accessibility,
Tyler, you are a Linux and Mac user and you search with Google and try to
explain how many things you know about NVDA, but it is obviously that
what JAWS insert rest of bullshit here
1) Because you, your crew, and your group on a specific forum doesn't
like ESpeak doesn't disqualify an entire
On Jan 27, 2:13 am, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
You may not like it, but that's a fact. If you are in favor of XYZ,
and act rude and insulting while espousing XYZ, people will react
against not only you but _also_ XYZ.
I know what you are reffering to. :-)
And I was
On Jan 27, 2:17 am, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com
[...]
Then when that fails, you try cramming
words in people's mouth to make them feel like they kick puppies, and to
bring everyone else to this same conclusion.
Tyler no one can
On 1/27/2011 10:09 AM Octavian Rasnita said...
From: Emile van Sebilleem...@fenx.com
On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said...
As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
backward compatibility
Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the intent.
On Jan 26, 1:16 pm, Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de wrote:
Please don't use the lower Linux user percentage as an argument
here. If you follow that path further, you would need to agree that
it's only an insignificant percent of people who need a screen
reader, so why bother?
Please don't
It might be true, however I have seen some modules that say that are ment for
Python 2.5, for 2.6 or for 2.7, so there seem to be differences between these
versions also.
Python cares *a lot* about maintaining backward compatibiilty between
all major versions.
This is so true that I managed
* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I
actually cared about before and thought was important.
People like Octavian do that. Sadly, it is one of the things holding the
blind community back. I
On Jan 27, 11:47 am, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote:
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't care about communicating with others, then being civil
probably does have no value (except for keeping a job or being
avoiding being beaten up on the
On 1/27/11 10:11 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 27, 1:28 am, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote:
But WxPython is their work and they decision is their.
Actually we
The word we does not mean what you think it means.
--
Stephen Hansen
... Also: Ixokai
... Mail: me+list/python
On Jan 27, 11:45 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
When has Octavian been uncivil? This lecture of Octavian is ludicris!
You are such a friendly totalitarian, how do you keep a strait face --
Col. Hans Landa?
And this mutual 'support' between Octavian and Ranter is ludicris(sic)
On 1/27/2011 12:31 PM, Mark Roseman wrote:
Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote:
Tk itself is purely a gui package -- abstract widgits, geometry placers
to make them visible, and an event system to make them active. But it
does have the baggage of needing tcl included. About a decade ago, some
On 27.01.2011 19:33, rantingrick wrote:
Please don't use the lower accessibility percentage to prop up the low
Linux percentage in an attempt to win your argument. Because healthy
Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
Please don't put words into my mouth, idiot. And read my
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
1. The performance issues of having Tk use Tcl are negligible; the bulk
of Tk (code-wise and time-wise) are spent in C. Tcl itself is also very
fast nowadays, using all the usual techniques that modern dynamic
languages use.
I have the impression
On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
By you. We get that.
Tkinter should be at most accepted because there is no better solution,
As I said at the beginning of this thread, tkinter is currently the only
option. What would have
Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are
you trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider
not equal to a group of healthy people?
--
On 1/27/2011 12:57 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those
On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
AS far as I know, Guido has never recommended any particular gui and I
believe he has avoided doing so when asked. He is happy that there are
different choices.
different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
choice.
On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
By you. We get that.
Tkinter should be at most accepted because there is no better solution,
As I said at the beginning of this
On 1/27/2011 12:47 PM rantingrick said...
different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
choice. Just wanted to make that clear.
Only when you restrict yourself to the artificial restriction of 'no
third party downloads allowed -- python must supply the right choice for
On Jan 27, 3:19 pm, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote:
On 1/27/2011 12:47 PM rantingrick said...
different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
choice. Just wanted to make that clear.
Only when you restrict yourself to the artificial restriction of 'no
third party
On 01/27/2011 04:10 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
By you. We get that.
Tkinter should be at most accepted because there is no better
On 2011-01-27, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
AS far as I know, Guido has never recommended any particular gui and I
believe he has avoided doing so when asked.
Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying While i
won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any
On 1/27/2011 1:38 PM rantingrick said...
Continuing to lug Tkinter around
is killing Python's evolution.
Huh? Can you provide a reference where someone passed over python
because of tkinter's inclusion in the standard library?
You certainly can't mean that python's evolution over the past
On Jan 27, 3:48 pm, Corey Richardson kb1...@aim.com wrote:
On 01/27/2011 04:10 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
By you. We get that.
On Jan 27, 3:48 pm, Corey Richardson kb1...@aim.com wrote:
A weak argument - yes. But the thought is there, and it's the thought
that counts, right? ;-)
What thought? It screams lack of thought to me. We should just ignore
a clearly better option because some other option was chosen first,
On Jan 27, 3:54 pm, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid wrote:
On 2011-01-27, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
AS far as I know, Guido has never recommended any particular gui and I
believe he has avoided doing so when asked.
Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is
On 01/27/2011 05:08 PM, rantingrick wrote:
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
You forgot to put a date on that
On 1/27/2011 2:28 PM rantingrick said...
And by
removing Tkinter not only would we take a huge burden from py-dev but
we would also free Tkinter from the chains of stdlib.
Actually, IIRC, very little effort is put into maintaining tkinter by
the py-dev crowd. I think I saw a post by Martin
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