Re: up to date books?

2005-08-22 Thread aleaxit
Glad to hear that my efforts to cover some of 2.3's release features in a mostly-2.2 book were appreciated. I'm probably going to do the same thing for the 2nd edition of the Nutshell: wait until 2.5 alpha's out so I can mention _its_ feechurz in a mostly-2.4 book... meaning the 2nd ed of the

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-22 Thread aleaxit
One of my most popular talks is re-learning Python -- can be anywhere between 1 and 4 hours, depending on level of detail -- it's all about the changes 1.5.2 - today's Python, why they came about and why you would want to use them... Alex -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-22 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my most popular talks is re-learning Python -- can be anywhere between 1 and 4 hours, depending on level of detail -- it's all about the changes 1.5.2 - today's Python, why they came about and why you would want to use them... Alex PyCon TX 2006? regards

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-22 Thread Casey Hawthorne
Would you consider releasing an ebook in the mean time? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to hear that my efforts to cover some of 2.3's release features in a mostly-2.2 book were appreciated. I'm probably going to do the same thing for the 2nd edition of the Nutshell: wait until 2.5 alpha's out so

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-20 Thread Jorgen Grahn
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:58:23 +0200, Magnus Lycka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno wrote: hi all. are there any recommendations for an intro book to python that is up-to-date for the latest version? It depends on what kind of books you like, and of course on your previous experience.

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-20 Thread Jorgen Grahn
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:25:36 +0200, Magnus Lycka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno wrote: Just one more quick question: I'm basically learning programming for fun, and I'm concentrating on C# right now. Python seems interesting, but I was wondering if I should even bother. Would it

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-19 Thread Magnus Lycka
John Salerno wrote: These all seem to be focused on Java though. I think C# is close enough to Java when it comes to the issues discussed here, that you can read the texts and more or less think C# when you read Java... gene tani wrote: Start here:

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-19 Thread Magnus Lycka
John Salerno wrote: Just one more quick question: I'm basically learning programming for fun, and I'm concentrating on C# right now. Python seems interesting, but I was wondering if I should even bother. Would it supplement C# in any way, or can C# do everything Python can? Python is an

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Alessandro Bottoni
John Salerno wrote: hi all. are there any recommendations for an intro book to python that is up-to-date for the latest version? I do not know how much up-to-date they are but I have to suggest you these books: - Learning Python By Mark Lutz and David Ascher published by O'Reilly Most likely

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Adriaan Renting
I learned Python from the Learning Python book that's first on Alessandros list. If you have the Second Edition, that includes coverage for Python 2.3, I think you have quite a nice introductory book. As a reference book Python in a Nutshell and of course the Python documentation itself are

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Paul Dale
I highly recommend the Safari library service from Oreilly ( http://safari.oreilly.com ) you can check out all of the books listed below and about 10,000 more. The library contains much more than just Oreilly's books, but they are, of course, all in there. The first 2 weeks is free after that

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Jon Hewer
mark pilgrim's dive into python is a good book if you're new to python i also have python cookbook, and foundations of python network programming - i haven't really had a chance to look at these in detail yet but both of these look good On 8/18/05, Paul Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I highly

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread dimitri pater
On 8/18/05, Jon Hewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark pilgrim's dive into python is a good book if you're new to python I agree that dive into python is a *very* good python book, but as it is says on http://diveintopython.org/ it is for experienced programmers. So if you are new to Python and to

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Magnus Lycka
John Salerno wrote: hi all. are there any recommendations for an intro book to python that is up-to-date for the latest version? It depends on what kind of books you like, and of course on your previous experience. I think Python: Visual QuickStart Guide by Chris Fehily is a rather nice

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would suggest Alex Martelli's Python in a Nutshell or the Python Cookbook as the best Python books from Oreilly. I also like M. Pilgrim's Dive into Python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread John Salerno
Thanks for the great replies everyone! Learning Python was my first choice, but it was also the reason I asked about older books, since it's from 2003. But it seems that isn't an issue, and I think that would be a nice place to start. Just one more quick question: I'm basically learning

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread gene tani
Start here: http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2004/12/15/the-static-method-thing http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/java-is-not-python-either.html http://ischenko.blogspot.com/2005/02/java-may-not-be-that-bad-after-all.html and maybe poke around ehre to learn about language design, how people define typing,

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread John Salerno
These all seem to be focused on Java though. gene tani wrote: Start here: http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2004/12/15/the-static-method-thing http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/java-is-not-python-either.html http://ischenko.blogspot.com/2005/02/java-may-not-be-that-bad-after-all.html and maybe

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread John Salerno
Also, are Python and Ruby similar languages? Which would be better to learn? John Salerno wrote: Thanks for the great replies everyone! Learning Python was my first choice, but it was also the reason I asked about older books, since it's from 2003. But it seems that isn't an issue, and I

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread gene tani
well, it's not easy to find neutral comparisons of ruby and python, but http://www.ruby-doc.org/RubyEyeForThePythonGuy.html http://onestepback.org/index.cgi/Tech/Ruby/PythonAndRuby.rdoc http://www.approximity.com/ruby/Comparison_rb_st_m_java.html

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread John Salerno
Thanks. I understand that my question probably causes a lot of grief for some people. :) gene tani wrote: well, it's not easy to find neutral comparisons of ruby and python, but http://www.ruby-doc.org/RubyEyeForThePythonGuy.html

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread aleaxit
John Salerno wrote: ... Just one more quick question: I'm basically learning programming for fun, and I'm concentrating on C# right now. Python seems interesting, but I was wondering if I should even bother. Would it supplement C# in any way, or can C# do everything Python can? C# and

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread John Salerno
Thank you very much for that response! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno wrote: ... Just one more quick question: I'm basically learning programming for fun, and I'm concentrating on C# right now. Python seems interesting, but I was wondering if I should even bother. Would it

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread John Machin
Alessandro Bottoni wrote: Python did not changed too much since rel. 1.5. I presume by too much you mean very much rather than inordinately or excessively. IMHO the addition of [list off the top of my head] string methods, Unicode, new-style classes, generators, list comprehensions, etc

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Matt Darby
John Salerno wrote: Also, are Python and Ruby similar languages? Which would be better to learn? IMHO Knowing both, they are very similar. Python seems to be more mature and has better support. Threading is easier in Ruby, while Python is more intuitive across the board. I really like

Re: up to date books?

2005-08-18 Thread Tomasz Rola
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, John Salerno wrote: hi all. are there any recommendations for an intro book to python that is up-to-date for the latest version? would reading a book from a year or two ago cause me to miss much? Well, well - and nobody

up to date books?

2005-08-17 Thread John Salerno
hi all. are there any recommendations for an intro book to python that is up-to-date for the latest version? would reading a book from a year or two ago cause me to miss much? thanks! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list