I'm having a bit of a problem with a Python script I'm running. It sits
in a loop and periodically asks System Events what's going on, via
appscript. The use of appscript turns it into a foreground process,
in the terminology used in
I'm trying to add a login item in an installer, and I thought using
appscript would be the simplest way.
from appscript import *
a = app(System Events)
a.login_items()
Sure enough, a display of items. But how do I create a new one and add
it?
Bill
Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm trying to add a login item in an installer, and I thought using
appscript would be the simplest way.
from appscript import *
a = app(System Events)
a.login_items()
Sure enough, a display of items. But how do I create a new one and add
Henning Hraban Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from LaunchServices import UTGetOSTypeFromString
UTGetOSTypeFromString('public.jpeg')
1886741100
hex(1886741100)
'0x7075626c'
chr(0x70), chr(0x75), chr(0x62), chr(0x6c)
('p', 'u', 'b', 'l')
Doesn't seem all that useful.
Bill
Henning Hraban Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please tell my how I apply the OSType method to an UTI?
Something like LaunchServices.UTType.UTGetOSTypeFromString(UTI) ?
Well, this is the blind leading the blind, but yes, that looks close to
right to me. You can say,
from
See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2008-March/077380.html.
Bill
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I'm trying to build Python 2.3 on my Mac (OS X 10.5.5) so I can use it
simply to test my lockfile package. It configures fine and the basic make
step works, but the executable has some sort
I think the modern Mac equivalent goes something like this:
def uti_for_file(path):
import os
from AppKit import NSWorkspace
uti, err = NSWorkspace.sharedWorkspace().typeOfFile_error_(
os.path.realpath(path), None)
if err:
raise Exception(unicode(err))
else:
I've been using the Python-Cocoa application template in Xcode 3, and
I'm just blown away by how *easy* it is to develop native Cocoa apps
with Python. Simply amazing. Nicest UI toolkit I've ever played
with, too.
Thanks to all of you who worked on it -- it's geaaat!
Bill
(Oh, and let me
I'm trying a simple Python-Cocoa app, using Xcode and the system Python.
I'm getting lots of error messages in my Xcode console of this form:
2008-11-01 15:42:48.000 cocoa-gadget[30179:1233b] *** _NSAutoreleaseNoPool():
Object 0x3f1030 of class NSCFString autoreleased with no pool in place -
Ned Deily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also note that in 10.4, Apple introduced launchd which is intended to
replace the various startup mechanisms including SystemStarter. launchd
includes the capability to define system-wide as well as per-user
LaunchAgents (triggered by various conditions)
Ned Deily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm starting a Python daemon using SystemStarter, and in it I'm using
appscript to launch an app (Entourage). I get the following error:
CantLaunchApplicationError
I'm starting a Python daemon using SystemStarter, and in it I'm using
appscript to launch an app (Entourage). I get the following error:
CantLaunchApplicationError: CantLaunchApplicationError -606: Application is
background-only.
If I start the same daemon from the command-line manually, it
There is a Python standard library module called new, and the Mac
filesystem is case-insensitive... Try doing
% touch new
% touch New
% ls
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But you can enter raw apple events which is what you want to do.
See here for and explanation of the brackets and how to enter them:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleScript/Conceptual/AppleScriptLangGuide/conceptual/ASLR_raw_data.html
Right, thanks, that's helpful. But how do I
Thanks, this is what I needed to know -- I'm hoping to avoid diving
into the source. I'll download FF 2 and try it out.
appscript.terminology.dump()
Not sure what you mean here. appscript.terminology doesn't have a
dump function...
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So, here's another appscript problem:
/Users/wjanssen 2 % python
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 17 2008, 19:35:16)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
from appscript import *
app('System Events').processes()
app('System
Can someone tell me how to convert the old Classic-style paths
returned from many of the appscript properties to real OS X file
paths? Is there some appscript constructor which takes a path
as an argument and returns a Unix path?
Here's an example:
app('Microsoft Word').active_document.path()
Am 2008-06-19 um 19:16 schrieb Bill Janssen:
So, here's another appscript problem:
/Users/wjanssen 2 % python
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 17 2008, 19:35:16)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
from appscript
Here's an example:
app('Microsoft Word').active_document.path()
u'wolfe:downloads'
That should be /downloads.
By the way, I'll update the appscript Wiki page with the answers I
get.
Have a look at mactypes.File and mactypes.Alias:
I'm finally trying to learn appscript, and I thought I'd write a
little system monitor that goes around to my various open applications
and logs what files/URLs I'm looking at. For Safari, this is easy:
print app('Safari').windows.first.current_tab.URL()
but I can't figure out how to get the
Thanks, Daniel.
It looks impossible from my perspective and knowledge, maybe someone
smarter has it figured out.
Apparently someone has, from the scrap of Applescript I pointed to
before (OK, here it is again:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427448).
Generally, the double
And I have no idea what configuring with --disable-framework does, or
whether Access Grid needs that.
Well, that's your real problem. You don't know what kind of Python
facilities your application needs. But in general, yes, definitely
configure with --disable-toolbox-glue and
cd libpng-*
The PIL docs state that you need libz for png support, but not libpng
itself -- are those docs out of date?
I'm not sure. But I build it anyway for Ghostscript.
setenv CPPFLAGS -I${distdir}/include
setenv LDFLAGS -L${distdir}/lib
setenv CXXFLAGS -I${distdir}/include
On 5 Apr, 2008, at 1:40, Christopher Barker wrote:
Can we build a single binary installer for PIL that will work with BOTH
Apple's Python2.5 that comes with OS-X 10.5 and MacPython2.5, Universal
Framework Build for OS-X 10.3.9 and above.
Not really, you'll have to provide two
But you're right, it would be nice to get that down to a single script.
I'll get a start on that. Do you think it should download the tarballs
too (curl) ?
Feel free to start with my script here.
I download the tarballs, unpack PIL and all the prereq packages in
/tmp, and go to work.
* Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral
binaries (32-bit only at first)
Is there a bug # for this? Possibly with a patch that we could start
with :-?
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Even though I've been an open source developer since long before the
word existed I find that I'm getting sick and tired of the reinvent-
the-world attitude that is far too common in the open source community.
If I am new to Python on the Mac and I've played with Apple Python a
little,
I think the FUD you refer
to concerns a different problem: developing and distributing
multiple-component Python apps to multiple users on multiple machines.
Well, that's actually what I do, on Tiger. I'll be interested to see
how hard it is to do it with the system Python on Leopard.
It's not entirely silly. This has been the advice given to app
developers on this list and the PyObjC list for years now. It's nice
to have a better system Python for quick scripts, but it's still the
System Python. It's Apples, for their stuff that uses Python. And it
is specific to
However, it seems that I'll have to unearth and write
ctypes definitions for a number of Core Foundation C++ types, in order
to do that. Has anyone already done this? Created ctypes definitions
for the standard CF types, and made them available somewhere?
OK, I've build and run Thomas
I don't know what's going on there. I'll track it down.
Meanwhile,
http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython/ctypes/CoreFoundation
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I'm trying to call the Spotlight system from Python, and I thought I'd
try using the ctypes support in Python 2.5 to use the MDQuery
framework. However, it seems that I'll have to unearth and write
ctypes definitions for a number of Core Foundation C++ types, in order
to do that. Has anyone
Are you asking about struct definitions and such? For example:
Yes, that's right.
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Looks like Thomas Heller has a system for doing this:
http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/wiki/Code_generation_for_Mac_OS_X_frameworks
Unfortunately, it seems to be somewhat complicated, requiring the
checkout and install of cmake, gccxml, and ctypeslib.
Bill
For cross-platform stuff, ctypes is probably the way to go. But if
you're targeting OS X anyway, the PyObjC approach has worked well for
me.
Thanks, but no thanks. I see no need to drag Objective-C (and PyObjC)
into this.
Anyone generated the CF types for CoreFoundation?
Bill
Unfortunately, it seems to be somewhat complicated, requiring the
checkout and install of cmake, gccxml, and ctypeslib.
And now svn.python.org is down, so I can't get it anyway.
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I noticed that ctypes doesn't load on my Mac, due to the fact that I
build 2.5.1 with --disable-toolbox-glue, and ctypes critically depends
on gestalt, which doesn't get built. The only use for the gestalt
dependency is to check the version of OS X.
I'd like to replace that with
DEFAULT_MODE
Looks find to me. I say check it in and let people (or buildbots) complain
if something breaks.
Actually, it's broken. Should be
if int(platform.release().split('.')[0]) 8:
DEFAULT_MODE = RTLD_GLOBAL
We're looking at the version of Darwin, not OS X.
Bill
Is anyone planning to update the code in Lib/plat-mac/Carbon/ to
include more toolbox modules? For instance, one for the MDQuery
system would be useful.
How would I go about building such an extension?
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Building from source shouldn't to hard: just download the sources
(either from the website or a checkout from the repository) and use
'python setup.py install ' to install, or use 'python setup.py
bdist_mpkg --open' to install all extra's as well.
Is there any support (a bdist) for the iPhone
I noticed that with the system Python 2.3.5 on OS X 10.4, the
automatic proxy setting doesn't work for urlopen(). It's because the
code in urllib.py expects os.name() to return 'mac', and instead it
returns 'posix'.
Is this fixed in later versions of Python, anyone know? You can test
by
I noticed that with the system Python 2.3.5 on OS X 10.4, the
automatic proxy setting doesn't work for urlopen(). It's because the
code in urllib.py expects os.name() to return 'mac', and instead it
returns 'posix'.
Is this fixed in later versions of Python, anyone know? You can test
by calling
It's a preference. In Stuffit Expander it's called Continue to
expand if possible, in the full stuffit it's probably something
similar.
It's on by default, it's what makes stuffit do the full decoding and
unpacking of, say, a .tar.gz.
Thanks; I've been wondering what to turn off to
Christopher Barker wrote:
1) is there a point-and-click and/or drag-and-drop way to create *.dmgs?
There are lots of freeware and shareware apps that do this--FreeDMG is a
good one. There are also command-line wrappers for hdiutils. Just google.
I don't know about point and click, but a
I've filed a bug for the website a while back and got no response at
all. There were some problems with the main 2.5 pages as well, is
looks like almost nobody knows how the new site works :-(
I've had some luck changing those pages, I'll see what I can do.
Bill
Indeed the folks at http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X
have ported GTK+ 2 to the Mac. I have it on my still-give-it-a-try list.
The sources for this have been folded back into the regular GTK+
source tree. But looking at the gtk-dev mailing list, it looks like
it's not quite a
* GTK+ requires X11. How can I start X11? What's the best way to launch
Gaphor inside X11?
Note that by default, X11 is not available on a Mac. It's an optional install.
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OK, I think I will read the FAQ cover-to-cover so to speak before
asking another question :).
Now _that's_ good Mac Python Community citizenship.
Of course, it's a Wiki, so the next question is: Have you read it lately?
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Being new to Mac
I must ask - is it safe to just point python binary links in /bin to
match those found in /usr/local/bin or should I be weary of some side
affects?
Looks like the answer to this question isn't in enough places yet :-).
I've updated the FAQ with the answer: Don't try
Well no kidding. I don't personally have access to the python.org
server and neither does Ronald. I don't think either of us asked for
it to be posted there, it wasn't ready at the time. I'm not sure
who's supposed to fix it either.
I do. I'll see what can be done. I favor taking
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/132185325/
Great job, the both of you. Let's declare victory and go home.
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http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png
The egg icon looks odd to me. I think it's that the highlights on the
logo don't seem to match the lighting direction on the egg. Or maybe
the narrow end of the egg is just too wide. Not sure.
Bill
Which do you prefer?
The PYC.
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4.2 Carbon.AH -- Apple Help
Do nothing.
Much like Apple Help itself :-).
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Thanks, Has.
I was hoping someone would go through that list bit-by-bit.
I'm still in favor of simply removing outdated and dangerous docs, but
perhaps there's some effective way of thoroughly marking them as bad,
instead.
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It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention the
universal installer. Could someone please fix that?
Will do. Should this replace the dual-installer procedure that's
mentioned there? For both 10.3 and 10.4?
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NEWS was broken long before the new site.
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Jacob,
Looks fine.
It's interesting to look at the icons for TextEdit, in
/Applications/TextEdit.app/Contents/Resources/*.icns.
And looking at the XCode icons
(/Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Resources/*.icns), it
looks like the Mac way of doing code icons (like for .py files) is
to
I found two articles on creating icons that may provide some info.
http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/866 and http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/964.
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No, I disagree. If there is any text, it should be in dark gray 18
point Lucida Grande, as per the HIG. XCode uses colored file extensions
in its document graphics because it deals with many different types of
source files, and this keeps them distinguishable.
It's not just XCode.
If someone comes up with a finished badge (or even a good explanation
If you look in http://doxdesk.com/img/software/py/icons2.zip, you'll
find a file called baselogo.svg. In the lower left corner of that
figure, you'll find a shaded two-intertwined-snakes badge that is the
new Python site
Yeah, I've seen the new python logo. There was discussion of
macifying it. If the suggestion is to just leave the logo as-is,
here's an [example][1] of what the icon could look like.
There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version
that's shaded a bit to look slightly
Advertising Department,
In my opinion, the problem is the term MacPython. Python is Python,
period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the
Mac platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not
now.
I'd be happy to go though all the pages on python.org and
To give my 2 cents...
It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If
there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages,
most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further.
Apparently this guy got past the main python.org page, with
Fred,
I'd like to fix the Mac documentation. I believe I need checkin
rights to the python/trunk/Doc svn subdirectory to do that. Is that
right?
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Just looking at the docs, I'm trying to figure out what's good and
what's bad.
1) We should no longer point people to Jack's site, we point them to
the python.org Mac download page instead.
2) references to PythonIDE and PackageManager should go.
3) What about the following:
2.
I'll add a note in bold on the python.org Macintosh downloads page
saying not to remove the Apple-provided version.
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I see that Andrew Clover has submitted an update of his icons for Python.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/78197/focus=78701
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I could make some nasty remarks about emacs and you could then
strike back with remarks about vi, but lets not go there :-)
Thanks for reminding me of vi.
As I understand it (I'm afraid I've never seen the point of knowing
much about vi :-) the model vi uses is quite different -- lean and
I never
need Python to have readline capability.
Yeah you do, you probably just don't realize that you're using it.
No, I really don't. The only time I ever interact with the Python
REPL is in a GNU Emacs shell buffer (or, rarely, an Emacs pdb buffer),
which does the dance for me. In the
Terminal and xterm don't have readline capability, the shell (bash)
does. But that is of no use when you're in the python interactive
shell. Then having readline support in python is very handy.
Right you are, Ronald. Thanks for the correction. I never use them
bare; I always run Emacs in
Just for fun, what's the point of the execve? Just to choose the
right Python executable?
Never mind, I found it on Bob's blog. It's to get around the
requirement to have an app bundle if you want to draw on the screen,
apparently.
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Just curious...
Is there really a need for the readline library? On Mac, I always run
Python shells in either (1) Terminal, or (2) xterm, or (3) an Emacs
shell buffer. All of them have readline capability built in. I never
need Python to have readline capability. What's the use case here?
All I'm saying is that it might be a good idea to put a few lines in
the README about the execve deal, and its implications for things
like debugging. Because otherwise it could get pretty frustrating for
some folk pretty fast.
I agree. This seems unnecessarily obscure.
Just for fun,
Kevin,
If we do what you propose, what we would have is two 'elements',
let's call them, in the final icon which serve the same purpose:
identifying Python. It's redundant, if not confusing, and since the
icons use different color schemes and designs, it will hurt the icon
visibility
Bob Ippolito writes:
While not ideal, we should probably just move forward with an icon
set based on the new python.org logo. It's better than what we have,
and it doesn't realistically depict a snake. I'm still open to new
ideas and mockups, but it just doesn't seem pragmatic to wait
Hmmm...
Kevin, I wonder if the checkerboard the blocks are standing on could
perhaps become more of a morph of the new yin/yang Python logo. I'd
like to see some kind of connection to the graphics being developed
for the main Python web site.
http://kevino.theolliviers.com/0406_macpython.jpg
I have Mac OS X, 10.4.6 (updated this morning) with the new Python
2.4.3 Universal Binary just released at python.org.
Time to update the downloads page?
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Couldn't we put a *.egg into a *.mpkg? and get the best of both worlds?
That would be my vote.
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I've added a link in the Wiki page about alternate distribution
pointing to Ronald's 2.4.2 installer.
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I'm looking over the downloads page again, thinking about what we need
to do to support the Universal builds.
First off, the discussion last week about which packages will work
with it seems very important.
Who's got edit access to pythonmac.org?
Could someone please put a note on
Could someone please put a note on http://pythonmac.org/packages/ to
say that the packages listed there are all PPC-only?
Done
Looks good, thanks.
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I'd certainly prefer eggs where possible, but transitionally we're
definitely going to need *.mpkgs. Maybe both for now, and/or separate
pages for .mpkgs and binary eggs?
What happens if you double-click on a *.egg?
I like that anyone with OS-X can figure out how to install from a
It is officialy released, even if Bill hasn't updated the download
page at python.org yet.
I must be missing something about updating the new website's pages.
I've removed the old comment on the main downloads page several times,
but it keeps showing up. In fact, looking at the svn history,
It is officialy released, even if Bill hasn't updated the download
page at python.org yet.
Ronald, what's the proper URL to advertise? I've got
http://homepage.mac.com/ronaldoussoren/.Public/Universal%20MacPython%202.4.2.dmg
but perhaps you'd like to upload it to pythonmac.org, or
On Mar 23, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Bill Janssen wrote:
It is officialy released, even if Bill hasn't updated the download
page at python.org yet.
Ronald, what's the proper URL to advertise? I've got
http://homepage.mac.com/ronaldoussoren/.Public/Universal%20MacPython
%202.4.2.dmg
Are we really ready to call it the official version to use? I just had
a colleague try it, then he asked me how to get wxPython and numpy
working with it.
OK, I'll hold off on it till people start yelling at me to update the
page. We still haven't seen Kevin's new icon ideas, either.
Bill
I added a symbolic python2.3.5 in the directory /usr/bin,
pointing to the python program under 'Library/Frameworks/Python.framework,
so I can invoke this python with the command python2.3.5.
Here's where you've deviated from the standard: As a rule, you shouldn't
out ANYTHING in
I'm not all that optimistic that it will be ready that soon, or
lookfeel very Mac-ish.
I don't care about that -- I don't use the built-in widgets anyway. I
use Java for UI largely because (1) widgets built from Swing will run in
applets as well as in apps, and (2) because the graphics model
The depends on what the application is. If the application is a GUI
application you can use py2app to build an application bundle, that
will include the python framework inside the application (unless you
use Apple's python).
What's the framework? If that's the entire Python interpreter and
Yes, I know about it, thanks.
If I can figure out how to change it, I'll do so.
Bill
I didn't notice anyone mentioning this on previous discussions, but
currently, if you click the download link on the left side of the
main python.org site, it takes you to a page that states this about
If it influences the answers, I am looking to build a cross-platform
application that I eventually want to be able to package for easy
installation by non-Python savvy users.
I don't see a good alternative to using Apple's version, then.
Or, at least, I don't know how to build a Mac
Do you really not know about Py2App? It occasionally has some tricky
bits, and doesn't yet work with the new universal build, but it is still
better than anything else out there for any platform. In fact, with my
limited testing, it has always just worked which I can not say for py2exe.
Hey,
I notice the MacPython wiki page on python.org
http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython is showing outdated information -
might be an idea to redirect it to the new download page or copy over some of
the new content.
has
The nifty thing about Wikis is that anyone can edit it...
Let me know when you're happy, and I'll update the downloads Web page.
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Ron Oussoren writes:
The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative.
W. R. Wing writes:
I LIKE the python squeezing the apple. The 16 ton icon is not only
amateurish, it is so indirect an in joke as to be inscrutable to
anyone coming new to the party.
I agree with Wing.
That's just one icon, we need several icons. At least we now have a
consistent set of icons. An historical looking set of icons, but a *set*
of icons.
Yes, I comprehend, several different icons for the various
applications are needed. The base logo is just a starting place.
Surely better
Why don't we call this RC1? I'll update the Web page next week, let's say.
Bill
I've placed a DMG with an installer for a universal build of python
2.4.2. This is an initial release of this installer, there are
probably issues with it.
This installer features:
- a universal binary of
Ron,
For this release, we were going to change the name of the folder that
the IDLE appears in, from MacPython-2.4 to Python 2.4. In this
installer, it seems to be MacPython 2.4.
I think it would be a good idea to remove the old MacPython-2.4
folder, as well.
Bill
Guido has just announced (at his PyCon keynote) that the new web site
(see beta.python.org) is going live a week from tomorrow (or Sunday,
March 5), and has requested help migrating the content.
I see that the content on the downloads page is different on the
beta site, and wrong w.r.t.
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