Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-17 Thread Artyom Tarasenko
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Kai Meyer kai.me...@storagecraft.com wrote: On 05/16/2012 11:48 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 16/05/2012 19:06, Kai Meyer ha scritto: 1) It's been suggested to me that since we have the rights to distribute our closed source shared library, there is a

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-17 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 17/05/2012 11:10, Artyom Tarasenko ha scritto: To help me better understand, what would be the terminology used for the explanation between what I would call source code licensing, and project licensing? Also, where in the code (or rather what file) can I see this distinction? It seems like

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-17 Thread Artyom Tarasenko
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paolo Bonzini pbonz...@redhat.com wrote: To help me better understand, what would be the terminology used for the explanation between what I would call source code licensing, and project licensing? Also, where in the code (or rather what file) can I see this

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-17 Thread Kai Meyer
On 05/17/2012 03:41 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 17/05/2012 11:10, Artyom Tarasenko ha scritto: To help me better understand, what would be the terminology used for the explanation between what I would call source code licensing, and project licensing? Also, where in the code (or rather what

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-17 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 17/05/2012 19:53, Kai Meyer ha scritto: Morally it's wrong, but a copyright holder cannot stop you on moral grounds. Legally, you should consult a lawyer. What you say is morally wrong here is a bit ambiguous to me. Do you mean using modified versions of qemu internally at StorageCraft is

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-17 Thread Kai Meyer
On 05/17/2012 01:43 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 17/05/2012 19:53, Kai Meyer ha scritto: Morally it's wrong, but a copyright holder cannot stop you on moral grounds. Legally, you should consult a lawyer. What you say is morally wrong here is a bit ambiguous to me. Do you mean using modified

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-16 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 16/05/2012 19:06, Kai Meyer ha scritto: 1) It's been suggested to me that since we have the rights to distribute our closed source shared library, there is a precedence for being able to distributed a modified version of qemu that does run-time linking against our shared library. The

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony Liguori
On 05/16/2012 12:48 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 16/05/2012 19:06, Kai Meyer ha scritto: 1) It's been suggested to me that since we have the rights to distribute our closed source shared library, there is a precedence for being able to distributed a modified version of qemu that does run-time

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-16 Thread Kai Meyer
On 05/16/2012 12:21 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: On 05/16/2012 12:48 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 16/05/2012 19:06, Kai Meyer ha scritto: 1) It's been suggested to me that since we have the rights to distribute our closed source shared library, there is a precedence for being able to distributed

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-16 Thread Kai Meyer
On 03/01/2012 11:54 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: It does not matter whether it is upstream or not. When you distribute your modified QEMU binary, anyone who receives it has the right to ask you for the complete corresponding source code. I also suggest that you write a wrapper around your library

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-05-16 Thread Kai Meyer
On 05/16/2012 11:48 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 16/05/2012 19:06, Kai Meyer ha scritto: 1) It's been suggested to me that since we have the rights to distribute our closed source shared library, there is a precedence for being able to distributed a modified version of qemu that does run-time

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-10 Thread Nate Bushman
:18 AM To: Kai Meyer Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Nate Bushman Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type (Sorry, missed the rest of this thread as I was expecting to be kept in the CC list) Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-10 Thread Nate Bushman
If storagecraft disappears the customers still have the existing tools, which can, for instance, convert their backup images to vhd or VMDK, so I think this is probably not an issue. Sent from a phone On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Paolo Bonzini pbonz...@redhat.com wrote: Il 09/03/2012 10:23,

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-09 Thread Kevin Wolf
] Add support for new image type (Sorry, missed the rest of this thread as I was expecting to be kept in the CC list) Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-09 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 09/03/2012 10:23, Kevin Wolf ha scritto: You make really good points on opening up the image file format. I see real value there in that it would foster development of other solutions around that format. The problem in this case is that StorageCraft's backup image format uses proprietary

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-09 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 09.03.2012 11:28, schrieb Paolo Bonzini: Il 09/03/2012 10:23, Kevin Wolf ha scritto: You make really good points on opening up the image file format. I see real value there in that it would foster development of other solutions around that format. The problem in this case is that

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-08 Thread Kevin Wolf
(Sorry, missed the rest of this thread as I was expecting to be kept in the CC list) Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-08 Thread Nate Bushman
for your help Kevin! Nate -Original Message- From: Kevin Wolf [mailto:kw...@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:18 AM To: Kai Meyer Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Nate Bushman Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type (Sorry, missed the rest of this thread as I

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-05 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 02/03/2012 19:38, Kai Meyer ha scritto: Well, yes. I was assuming that there was potential for us to be able to distribute qemu modifications that would not require us opening up our library. The more we look at it, and some past precedence we've experienced, it looks like it's not going to

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-05 Thread Stefan Hajnoczi
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kai Meyer kai.me...@storagecraft.com wrote: From: Paolo Bonzini [pbonz...@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:54 PM To: Kai Meyer Cc: Anthony Liguori; Stefan Weil; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Nate Bushman Subject:

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-02 Thread Kai Meyer
From: Paolo Bonzini [pbonz...@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:54 PM To: Kai Meyer Cc: Anthony Liguori; Stefan Weil; qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Nate Bushman Subject: Re: Add support for new image type Il 01/03/2012 22:14, Kai Meyer ha scritto:

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking for the integration point between qemu and the new image format. Which image format do you want to get integrated? Have a

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Kai Meyer
On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking for the integration point between qemu and the new image format. Which image format do

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Stefan Weil
Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking for the integration point between qemu and the

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Stefan Weil
Am 01.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Stefan Weil: Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking for

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Kai Meyer
On 03/01/2012 01:10 PM, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Kai Meyer
On 03/01/2012 01:18 PM, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 01.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Stefan Weil: Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 01/03/2012 21:26, Kai Meyer ha scritto: QEMU uses GPL v2. You can use a patched QEMU internally, but as soon as you want to give it to customers (or get it integrated in the official source tree), you must publish all code which is needed under an open license. It is a shared library.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Stefan Weil
Am 01.03.2012 21:26, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 01:10 PM, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Anthony Liguori
On 03/01/2012 01:45 PM, Kai Meyer wrote: Great, this is exactly what we're after. I work for StorageCraft, and we would like to figure out some way to allow qemu to directly consume our image-based backups. It would provide us with user-space mounting (via libguestfs) as well as booting VMs

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Anthony Liguori
On 03/01/2012 02:18 PM, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 01.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Stefan Weil: Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Kai Meyer
On 03/01/2012 02:05 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: On 03/01/2012 02:18 PM, Stefan Weil wrote: Am 01.03.2012 21:10, schrieb Stefan Weil: Am 01.03.2012 20:45, schrieb Kai Meyer: On 03/01/2012 08:03 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: Am 29.02.2012 22:52, schrieb Kai Meyer: Is it possible to extend qemu to

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-03-01 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 01/03/2012 22:14, Kai Meyer ha scritto: If we can't use qemu in general use-cases (since we can't push support for our images up stream), we could still really benefit from a targeted use-cases (like a Rescue Environment.) It does not matter whether it is upstream or not. When you

[Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-02-29 Thread Kai Meyer
Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking for the integration point between qemu and the new image format. -Kai Meyer

Re: [Qemu-devel] Add support for new image type

2012-02-29 Thread Brian Jackson
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:52:49 -0600, Kai Meyer kai.me...@storagecraft.com wrote: Is it possible to extend qemu to support a new image type? I have an image type that is ready for consumption and I'm looking for the integration point between qemu and the new image format. The last new