Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
On 13 Feb 2012, at 22:05, Tobias Fröschle wrote: Am 13.02.2012 22:45, schrieb Dilwyn Jones: I'm not sure if this has changed in recent versions of Turbo, but there used to be a setting which allowed you to produce smaller programs by limiting the compiled size to 64K (word length addressing etc I suppose). There is a setting on the control panel (the green screen started by the CHARGE command) which lets you select 64K or 64K in one of the boxes. There's also a equivalent compiler directive which I can't remember from memory (one of the TURBO_nnn commands, possibly TURBO_MODEL - see Turbo Toolkit manual) which lets you tell the compiler which settings to use to control over the reduced file sizes - remember Turbo was originally conceived when we didn't all have as much memory on our systems as today! Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Michael Bulford Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:28 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks I am developing a program in SuperBASIC, and compiling with Turbo. The size of the compiled code is around 133k at the moment but I still have quite a lot to add. The problem is I am getting reports of Code too large to compile, etc. What I have decided to do is to remove some parts of my code, and down-grade the program slightly. I can also move some parts to another separate task, but overall this is some problem. What I was wondering is if perhaps new versions of the parser and codegen tasks could be produced to increase the limits to allow larger sizes to be compiled. It is so easy nowadays to write large programs without having to worry about program size or the amount of dataspace used. Michael Bulford ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4807 - Release Date: 02/13/12 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Michael, If you're mentioning 133k compiled, that's definitely large. The largest SB program I know is Editor, with about 100k code size. I guess you should also run out of line numbers shortly. Have a look at LINK_LOAD et al - This allows you to off-load parts of your code into external libraries. Cheers, Tobias Yes. LINK_LOAD ought to work. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
Thanks for the idea. I can split my program up into two or more modules, and then use LINK_LOAD. Variables, procedures and functions can then be shared. This is a great idea. Michael From: George Gwilt grggw...@gmail.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012, 10:10 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks On 13 Feb 2012, at 22:05, Tobias Fröschle wrote: Am 13.02.2012 22:45, schrieb Dilwyn Jones: I'm not sure if this has changed in recent versions of Turbo, but there used to be a setting which allowed you to produce smaller programs by limiting the compiled size to 64K (word length addressing etc I suppose). There is a setting on the control panel (the green screen started by the CHARGE command) which lets you select 64K or 64K in one of the boxes. There's also a equivalent compiler directive which I can't remember from memory (one of the TURBO_nnn commands, possibly TURBO_MODEL - see Turbo Toolkit manual) which lets you tell the compiler which settings to use to control over the reduced file sizes - remember Turbo was originally conceived when we didn't all have as much memory on our systems as today! Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Michael Bulford Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:28 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks I am developing a program in SuperBASIC, and compiling with Turbo. The size of the compiled code is around 133k at the moment but I still have quite a lot to add. The problem is I am getting reports of Code too large to compile, etc. What I have decided to do is to remove some parts of my code, and down-grade the program slightly. I can also move some parts to another separate task, but overall this is some problem. What I was wondering is if perhaps new versions of the parser and codegen tasks could be produced to increase the limits to allow larger sizes to be compiled. It is so easy nowadays to write large programs without having to worry about program size or the amount of dataspace used. Michael Bulford ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4807 - Release Date: 02/13/12 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Michael, If you're mentioning 133k compiled, that's definitely large. The largest SB program I know is Editor, with about 100k code size. I guess you should also run out of line numbers shortly. Have a look at LINK_LOAD et al - This allows you to off-load parts of your code into external libraries. Cheers, Tobias Yes. LINK_LOAD ought to work. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
Hmm, a bit confusable, I think. I have the complete SB source of DP Professional Publisher here and this is a bit more than 120k. And this program was successfully compiled with Turbo. Guess how this was done...? Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: Michael Bulford michaelbulf...@yahoo.co.uk To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks Thanks for the idea. I can split my program up into two or more modules, and then use LINK_LOAD. Variables, procedures and functions can then be shared. This is a great idea. Michael From: George Gwilt grggw...@gmail.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012, 10:10 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks On 13 Feb 2012, at 22:05, Tobias Fröschle wrote: Am 13.02.2012 22:45, schrieb Dilwyn Jones: I'm not sure if this has changed in recent versions of Turbo, but there used to be a setting which allowed you to produce smaller programs by limiting the compiled size to 64K (word length addressing etc I suppose). There is a setting on the control panel (the green screen started by the CHARGE command) which lets you select 64K or 64K in one of the boxes. There's also a equivalent compiler directive which I can't remember from memory (one of the TURBO_nnn commands, possibly TURBO_MODEL - see Turbo Toolkit manual) which lets you tell the compiler which settings to use to control over the reduced file sizes - remember Turbo was originally conceived when we didn't all have as much memory on our systems as today! Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Michael Bulford Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:28 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks I am developing a program in SuperBASIC, and compiling with Turbo. The size of the compiled code is around 133k at the moment but I still have quite a lot to add. The problem is I am getting reports of Code too large to compile, etc. What I have decided to do is to remove some parts of my code, and down-grade the program slightly. I can also move some parts to another separate task, but overall this is some problem. What I was wondering is if perhaps new versions of the parser and codegen tasks could be produced to increase the limits to allow larger sizes to be compiled. It is so easy nowadays to write large programs without having to worry about program size or the amount of dataspace used. Michael Bulford ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4807 - Release Date: 02/13/12 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Michael, If you're mentioning 133k compiled, that's definitely large. The largest SB program I know is Editor, with about 100k code size. I guess you should also run out of line numbers shortly. Have a look at LINK_LOAD et al - This allows you to off-load parts of your code into external libraries. Cheers, Tobias Yes. LINK_LOAD ought to work. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
-- From: Tobias Fröschle tobias.froesc...@t-online.de Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:05 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks Michael, If you're mentioning 133k compiled, that's definitely large. The largest SB program I know is Editor, with about 100k code size. I guess you should also run out of line numbers shortly. Have a look at LINK_LOAD et al - This allows you to off-load parts of your code into external libraries. Large compiled SB programs are possible. The GD2 version of my General Election program - on the downloads page of my website - weighs in at 270,934 bytes. Am I the record holder? The program is compiled by QLiberator and the size is mainly attributable to the interactive constituency map, Best Wishes, Geoff www.gwicks.net/justwords.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
-- From: Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:51 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks -- From: Tobias Fröschle tobias.froesc...@t-online.de Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:05 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks Large compiled SB programs are possible. The GD2 version of my General Election program - on the downloads page of my website - weighs in at 270,934 bytes. Am I the record holder? The program is compiled by QLiberator and the size is mainly attributable to the interactive constituency map, Further to this email large compiled Turbo programs are also possible. While writing the QL Today news I was checking some facts and realised that the postcodes program on my website, which is Turbo compiled, is 251,492 bytes. Again the size is a reflection of the size of the databases needed for mapping. Dilwyn points out that Turbo can be configured for both 64 and 64. There are also other commands on the same screen to govern the size of programs, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Large turbo tasks
Large compiled SB programs are possible. The GD2 version of my General Election program - on the downloads page of my website - weighs in at 270,934 bytes. Am I the record holder? The program is compiled by QLiberator and the size is mainly attributable to the interactive constituency map, Further to this email large compiled Turbo programs are also possible. While writing the QL Today news I was checking some facts and realised that the postcodes program on my website, which is Turbo compiled, is 251,492 bytes. Again the size is a reflection of the size of the databases needed for mapping. Dilwyn points out that Turbo can be configured for both 64 and 64. There are also other commands on the same screen to govern the size of programs, Even back in the early days of Turbo, my old Page Designer 2 program weighed in at about 176K - it's always been possible to compile large programs, although it's always been possible to compile for smaller memory systems too using techniques such as LINK_LOAD. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
