Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[pjwitte]

On 16/10/2016 17:14, Bob Spelten wrote:

Op Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:11:10 +0200 schreef pjwitte :


On 14/10/2016 17:34, Bob Spelten wrote:
Op Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:18:31 +0200 schreef pjwitte 
:



Could poeple please tell me what differences there are between the
various language versions of the QPCA2 button utilities or any
other QPAC2 component?

Starting with BUTTON_SLEEP = BUTTON_SCHLAF in German, does the
button frame or any other Thing or component have a language
dependent name that has an affect on how the utility is accessed?
(Mere display information, such as configuration item labelling
etc, is not important in this context.)

Thanks in advance,


As far I can see from Viewing the 3 languages, these are the
differences:

 E  G   F
 Things Choses
 Button Bouton
 Exec   Exéc
 Wake   Réveil
 Pick   Choix
 Rjob
 Sysdef
 Files  Dateien Fichiers
 Jobs
 Channels   Kanäle  Canaux
 Hotkeys
 Hotjobs
 Button_Pick
 Button_Sleep   Button_Schlaf

The 4 keywords are the same for all 3.

Bob


Thanks for replies. Perhaps my question was unnecessary general. It
seems unlikely that calling Files for Dateien or Fichiers is going to
cause many problems. However Button_Sleep and Button Frame are Things
that may quite likely be used in a common programs and toolkits, and
therefore it matters what they are called.

Tobias suggests that in the German version both Button_Sleep and
Button_Schlaf will work. This might mean that Button_Sleep is the
default in all languages in addition to local. Or it might mean he has
two versions of Qpac2 loaded..

Please EXEP 'Things' ('Choses'?)and take a look to see what these
Things are called on your machine, especially if you have a
non-English version of QPAC2.

Tobias's suggestion does not work when I replace my ENG Qpac2 by the 
FRA version.

EXEP Things gives "not found", while EXEP Choses works.
The same is true for any of the other translated Thing names.

If you want to use BUTTON_SLEEP in a program you need to check for 
the Qpac2 version, or use something like Q_ERR_ON/_OFF to catch the 
error and try again with _SCHLAF.


Bob

There doesnt seem to be an easy way to check the Qpac2 version; at 
least nothing standard to determin the language. In SBASIC a heuristic 
approach may be the simplest:


100 IF HOT_TYPE("button_sleep") = 4 THEN
110  EXEP 'button_sleep'
120 ELSE : IF HOT_TYPE("button_schlaf") = 4 THEN
130  EXEP 'button_schlaf'
140 ELSE : IF HOT_TYPE("button_") = 4 THEN
150  EXEP 'button_'
160 ELSE: PRINT 'Not found'
170 END IF : END IF : END IF
180 :

The keyword HOT_TYPE is built into SMSQ/E and hot_rext, and returns 
err_nf if the named Thing is not present. What Id still like to know 
is what other button_'es there are out there. Anyone?


The Button Frame Thing appears to be called "Button Frame" in all 
languages. The sources are in among the SMSQ/E sources, although the 
binary is not part of the OS but comes with Qpac2. The Button Frame is 
also mentioned in the latest version of the SMSQ/E Guide. No mention 
there of language differences.


Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Tobias Fröschle]

> Am 16.10.2016 um 17:14 schrieb Bob Spelten :
> 
> Op Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:11:10 +0200 schreef pjwitte :
> 
>> On 14/10/2016 17:34, Bob Spelten wrote:
>>> Op Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:18:31 +0200 schreef pjwitte :
>>> 
 Could poeple please tell me what differences there are between the
 various language versions of the QPCA2 button utilities or any
 other QPAC2 component?
 
 Starting with BUTTON_SLEEP = BUTTON_SCHLAF in German, does the
 button frame or any other Thing or component have a language
 dependent name that has an affect on how the utility is accessed?
 (Mere display information, such as configuration item labelling
 etc, is not important in this context.)
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
>>> As far I can see from Viewing the 3 languages, these are the
>>> differences:
>>> 
>>> E  G   F
>>> Things Choses
>>> Button Bouton
>>> Exec   Exéc
>>> Wake   Réveil
>>> Pick   Choix
>>> Rjob
>>> Sysdef
>>> Files  Dateien Fichiers
>>> Jobs
>>> Channels   Kanäle  Canaux
>>> Hotkeys
>>> Hotjobs
>>> Button_Pick
>>> Button_Sleep   Button_Schlaf
>>> 
>>> The 4 keywords are the same for all 3.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>> Thanks for replies. Perhaps my question was unnecessary general. It
>> seems unlikely that calling Files for Dateien or Fichiers is going to
>> cause many problems. However Button_Sleep and Button Frame are Things
>> that may quite likely be used in a common programs and toolkits, and
>> therefore it matters what they are called.
>> 
>> Tobias suggests that in the German version both Button_Sleep and
>> Button_Schlaf will work. This might mean that Button_Sleep is the
>> default in all languages in addition to local. Or it might mean he has
>> two versions of Qpac2 loaded..
>> 
>> Please EXEP 'Things' ('Choses'?)and take a look to see what these
>> Things are called on your machine, especially if you have a
>> non-English version of QPAC2.
>> 
> Tobias's suggestion does not work when I replace my ENG Qpac2 by the FRA 
> version.
> EXEP Things gives "not found", while EXEP Choses works.
> The same is true for any of the other translated Thing names.
> 
> If you want to use BUTTON_SLEEP in a program you need to check for the Qpac2 
> version, or use something like Q_ERR_ON/_OFF to catch the error and try again 
> with _SCHLAF.
> 
> Bob

Bob,

I checked this again and realized I seem to be loading a German QPAC2 + an 
extra Bsleep extension.

While QPAC2 provides the BUTTON_SCHLAF Thing, the BSLEEP file (says 
"Button_sleep V1.04) seems to provide a BUTTON_SLEEP Thing. Agreed that is not 
an ideal solution to load both Things, but at least it makes a lot of programs 
run that wouldn't properly otherwise. And the 1831 bytes wasted for the Bsleep 
extension is something I can really bear with with QPC set to 128MB memory...

Tobias

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Ralf Reköndt]

Horrible.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Spelten"


If you want to use BUTTON_SLEEP in a program you need to check for the  
Qpac2 version, or use something like Q_ERR_ON/_OFF to catch the error and  
try again with _SCHLAF.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Bob Spelten]

Op Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:11:10 +0200 schreef pjwitte :


On 14/10/2016 17:34, Bob Spelten wrote:

Op Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:18:31 +0200 schreef pjwitte :


Could poeple please tell me what differences there are between the
various language versions of the QPCA2 button utilities or any
other QPAC2 component?

Starting with BUTTON_SLEEP = BUTTON_SCHLAF in German, does the
button frame or any other Thing or component have a language
dependent name that has an affect on how the utility is accessed?
(Mere display information, such as configuration item labelling
etc, is not important in this context.)

Thanks in advance,


As far I can see from Viewing the 3 languages, these are the
differences:

 E  G   F
 Things Choses
 Button Bouton
 Exec   Exéc
 Wake   Réveil
 Pick   Choix
 Rjob
 Sysdef
 Files  Dateien Fichiers
 Jobs
 Channels   Kanäle  Canaux
 Hotkeys
 Hotjobs
 Button_Pick
 Button_Sleep   Button_Schlaf

The 4 keywords are the same for all 3.

Bob


Thanks for replies. Perhaps my question was unnecessary general. It
seems unlikely that calling Files for Dateien or Fichiers is going to
cause many problems. However Button_Sleep and Button Frame are Things
that may quite likely be used in a common programs and toolkits, and
therefore it matters what they are called.

Tobias suggests that in the German version both Button_Sleep and
Button_Schlaf will work. This might mean that Button_Sleep is the
default in all languages in addition to local. Or it might mean he has
two versions of Qpac2 loaded..

Please EXEP 'Things' ('Choses'?)and take a look to see what these
Things are called on your machine, especially if you have a
non-English version of QPAC2.

Tobias's suggestion does not work when I replace my ENG Qpac2 by the FRA  
version.

EXEP Things gives "not found", while EXEP Choses works.
The same is true for any of the other translated Thing names.

If you want to use BUTTON_SLEEP in a program you need to check for the  
Qpac2 version, or use something like Q_ERR_ON/_OFF to catch the error and  
try again with _SCHLAF.


Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Ralf Reköndt]

To be honest: I never use those creepy german versions, as it always gave 
problems.


- Original Message - 
From: "pjwitte"


Please EXEP 'Things' ('Choses'?)and take a look to see what these
Things are called on your machine, especially if you have a
non-English version of QPAC2. 


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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[pjwitte]

On 14/10/2016 17:34, Bob Spelten wrote:

Op Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:18:31 +0200 schreef pjwitte :


Could poeple please tell me what differences there are between the
various language versions of the QPCA2 button utilities or any
other QPAC2 component?

Starting with BUTTON_SLEEP = BUTTON_SCHLAF in German, does the
button frame or any other Thing or component have a language
dependent name that has an affect on how the utility is accessed?
(Mere display information, such as configuration item labelling
etc, is not important in this context.)

Thanks in advance,


As far I can see from Viewing the 3 languages, these are the
differences:

 E  G   F
 Things Choses
 Button Bouton
 Exec   Exéc
 Wake   Réveil
 Pick   Choix
 Rjob
 Sysdef
 Files  Dateien Fichiers
 Jobs
 Channels   Kanäle  Canaux
 Hotkeys
 Hotjobs
 Button_Pick
 Button_Sleep   Button_Schlaf

The 4 keywords are the same for all 3.

Bob

Thanks for replies. Perhaps my question was unnecessary general. It 
seems unlikely that calling Files for Dateien or Fichiers is going to 
cause many problems. However Button_Sleep and Button Frame are Things 
that may quite likely be used in a common programs and toolkits, and 
therefore it matters what they are called.


Tobias suggests that in the German version both Button_Sleep and 
Button_Schlaf will work. This might mean that Button_Sleep is the 
default in all languages in addition to local. Or it might mean he has 
two versions of Qpac2 loaded..


Please EXEP 'Things' ('Choses'?)and take a look to see what these 
Things are called on your machine, especially if you have a 
non-English version of QPAC2.



Per
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