Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-17 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 16 Oct 2001, at 8:50, Marcel Kilgus wrote: Das QL? I'd say it's masculine. Not in my ususal mode of address: Das Sch... *+=8% QL Dings, da wolfgang (hey, after thhat much dutch, we're entitled to some german...) - www.wlenerz.com

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-17 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 16 Oct 2001, at 17:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad its not feminine, Die QL sounds a bit rash in english! It's already happened, anyway. Wolfgang (runs to shelter) - www.wlenerz.com

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-17 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Is the QL masculine or feminine in gender ? In Italian masculine: Il QL And in Welsh, as we all know, masculine: Y QL hwn -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-17 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message 3BCD4547.6743.1997C9@localhost, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 16 Oct 2001, at 22:23, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In English 'objects' or artefacts are seen as being neutral, or inanimate. However, most English people do attach a gender to objects ... like cars = the 'old

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Is the QL masculine or feminine in gender ? For us Germans, of course, it's a neutrum... Das QL? I'd say it's masculine. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Jerome Grimbert wrote: } Das QL? I'd say it's masculine. Isn't Das for Neutral, and Der for masculine (Die being for feminine ) ? Exactly. And Das QL just doesn't sound good ;-) Marcel

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-16 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerome Grimbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Malcolm Cadman makes some magical things to make me read } He .. he ... I got my 'le' and 'la' mixed up then :-) } } Is the QL masculine or feminine in gender ? In french, it is masculine. I do not know for german and

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-15 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Malcolm Cadman makes some magical things to make me read } Alas, it's survival is limited to about 2 or 3 times the longuest subscription. } (But who cares about that, it's easy money now!, and maybe in the meantime } we can sell the magazine team to some other publisher..., just like selling }

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-15 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerome Grimbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes } Alas, it's survival is limited to about 2 or 3 times the longuest subscription. } (But who cares about that, it's easy money now!, and maybe in the meantime } we can sell the magazine team to some other publisher..., just

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-15 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 15 Oct 2001, at 17:46, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Is the QL masculine or feminine in gender ? -- Malcolm Cadman For us Germans, of course, it's a neutrum... Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-15 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 09:54 ìì 15/10/2001 +0200, you wrote: On 15 Oct 2001, at 17:46, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Is the QL masculine or feminine in gender ? -- Malcolm Cadman For us Germans, of course, it's a neutrum... Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com Ha! For Greeks is either a male or a

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-15 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Malcolm Cadman makes some magical things to make me read } He .. he ... I got my 'le' and 'la' mixed up then :-) } } Is the QL masculine or feminine in gender ? In french, it is masculine. I do not know for german and english (neutral ?).

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-13 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe Phoebus - that well known computer murphy's law does state that by the time the last bug is removed, the program is obsolete (says Dilwyn

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-13 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Back in the late '70s/early '80s I used to buy computing mags like Practical Computing and Computing Today because they were very 'DIY' based with articles on programming and building bits of hardware, but when they changed to nothing but reviews of commercial software and hardware I lost

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-12 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerome Grimbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Malcolm Cadman makes some magical things to make me read } Ah ! I think it was just a french problem where magazines looks more an more } catalogues with lot of advertising and propaganda (guru Bill do this, guru } Bill

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-11 Thread Claude Mourier 00
Ah ! I think it was just a french problem where magazines looks more an more catalogues with lot of advertising and propaganda (guru Bill do this, guru Bill thinks that...) -Message d'origine- De : Malcolm Cadman (...) OT - yet computer magazines today are largely just product reviews,

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-11 Thread Peter S Tillier
Marcel Kilgus wrote: Claude Mourier 00 wrote: I wonder what is QPC overhead (it's not to offense Marcel : QPC is a great product) : does anybody know the slowdown factor eaten by the emulator, or in other word, what is the factor to apply to the speed of SMSQ under QPC to have an idea

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-11 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 10 Oct 2001, at 22:13, Marcel Kilgus wrote: Anyway x86 assembler is something nobody wants to program really, especially when coming from the 68k corner, believe me. It sure isn't! Segments - B Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Anyway x86 assembler is something nobody wants to program really, especially when coming from the 68k corner, believe me. It sure isn't! Segments - B Actually segments aren't used anymore (thank God). However, the instruction set is still quite horrible. And

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Claude Mourier 00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ah ! I think it was just a french problem where magazines looks more an more catalogues with lot of advertising and propaganda (guru Bill do this, guru Bill thinks that...) -Message d'origine- De : Malcolm Cadman

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Hmmm, it's that time of year again So I had a good idea for a flaming (I need it since it's cold in Pennsylvania now ;-) What about rewriting QDOS/SMS (or converting the assembly sources) in order to run NATIVELY on x86 processors. There are a number of nice tools available for that

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Phoebus, You are really sad :o) Why leave a perfectly good Greece for a home in Pennsylvania ? I can see a couple of (minor) flaws with your suggestion, but as an exercise, it appeals to my sense of humor quite a bit. The flaws are : what happens if we use PortAsm/68K and there are bugs in

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 01:50 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, You are really sad :o) Oh yeah! :-) Why leave a perfectly good Greece for a home in Pennsylvania ? Hmmm I still wonder, but fear not I'll be back to Europe soon (3/4 years... once I am done with college)... It's plainly too dangerous at

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Ian . Pine
: Norman.Dunbar Sent: 10 October 2001 13:50 To: ql-users Cc: Norman.Dunbar Subject: RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors Phoebus, You are really sad :o) Why leave a perfectly good Greece for a home in Pennsylvania ? I can see a couple

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Claude Mourier 00
-Message d'origine- De : Phoebus Dokos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 10 octobre 2001 15:41 À : QL Users' mailing list Objet : [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors Hmmm, it's that time of year again So I had a good idea for a flaming

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Ian, BTW I missed most of the assembler articles in QL Toady. Are they available online, or as back issues? Not yet I'm afraid, but I'm sure that there are back issues available. The main problem is, I write one article but Jochen decides that I cannot be allowed to use up 80% of the

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe No I don't remember (honest) I remember some problems with QLiberator though ! And what bugs do you refer to :o) Regards,

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Trolling Writing an OS for a processor family is nothing, compared to the needed writing for peripheral supports. So, as well as generic x86 support, what about GENERIC x86 compatible supports of hardware in the OS. Natively of course, NO PC BIOS. (there is no Bios on some embeded card, so

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 02:52 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe No I don't remember (honest) I remember some problems with QLiberator though ! And

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 04:10 ìì 10/10/2001 +0200, you wrote: Trolling Writing an OS for a processor family is nothing, compared to the needed writing for peripheral supports. So, as well as generic x86 support, what about GENERIC x86 compatible supports of hardware in the OS. Natively of course, NO PC BIOS.

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 10:34 ðì 10/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: At 02:52 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe No I don't remember (honest) I remember some

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors At 02:52 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1

RE: Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Ian . Pine
calls in NASM. Ian. -Original Message- From: jerome.grimbert Sent: 10 October 2001 15:10 To: ql-users Cc: jerome.grimbert Subject: Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors Trolling Writing an OS for a processor family is nothing

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message Hb5f1151beb4.1002729565.ln4p1327.ldn.swissbank.com@MHS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Norman has just sent me the texts of his articles, but the back issues are still of interest generally. Back in the late '70s/early '80s I used to buy computing mags like Practical Computing and

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes All the system variables, Basic variables, interrupts, vectors, traps whouldn't be there any more so we'd have to either code in C - oops, forgot, we can't, no C compiler :o) True partially. A compiler could be (relatively)

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes QL Toady back issues:- Clip Never bought any as I've been a subscriber from day one :-)) Are you sure that wasn't the 'day after', day one ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] k, Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes - Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administratorPhone: 0113 289 6265 Fax:

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Claude Mourier 00 wrote: I wonder what is QPC overhead (it's not to offense Marcel : QPC is a great product) : does anybody know the slowdown factor eaten by the emulator, or in other word, what is the factor to apply to the speed of SMSQ under QPC to have an idea of SMSQ speed written