Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-05 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor SNIP, SNIP [Geoff Wicks for Quanta chairman or editor if he retires from trading, now that Robin Barker is stepping down!!!] er hem, Sorry you are out of order, or rather out of time

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-04 Thread Robert Newson
Bill Waugh wrote: - Original Message - From: Dave P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Marcel Kilgus wrote: This puts the seemingly massive current SMSQ/E for QPC in perspective

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-04 Thread Robert Newson
Robert Newson wrote: ... second screen is at 163840-196607 (18000-1); with system variables starting at 163840 (18000)! oops...can't convert this early in the morning...meant 28000-2

RE: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-04 Thread Claude Mourier 00
Notably because of all your work, Marcel. Thank's for all your contributions. Claude -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Marcel Kilgus Envoyé : mardi 3 février 2004 21:17 À : ql-users Objet : Re: [ql-users] CST Thor (...) A lot has happened

RE: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-04 Thread Claude Mourier 00
At launch, in France, advertising was : 32k ROM (I still have proof) -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Tony Firshman Envoyé : mardi 3 février 2004 22:11 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] CST Thor That is wrong Tarquin. The QL

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-04 Thread Malcolm Lear
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] CST Thor That is wrong Tarquin. The QL internal ROM space has always been 48k. The original couldn't ...

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-04 Thread Dilwyn Jones
He also gave a good front end for everything, which was very much on a par with Windows 3.x Was this the ICE environment I've seen mentioned with the Thor? I haven't found anything on the web about this yet, but then I suppose google isn't 'the web' yet :) ICE was an Icon Controlled

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 15:42:59, Witchy wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi folks, I found this list after googling for David Oliver and CST, who hopefully some of you will remember produced the Thor range of machines. Having got my paws on what I think used to be a working Thor WF2 (before

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Witchy wrote: I found this list after googling for David Oliver and CST, who hopefully some of you will remember produced the Thor range of machines. Having got my paws on what I think used to be a working Thor WF2 (before someone removed the hard drive) the other week I'm trying to find any

RE: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Witchy
Hi Marcel, Thanks for the corrections :) I'll update the page now. Cheers, W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcel Kilgus Sent: 03 February 2004 17:55 To: ql-users Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor Witchy wrote: I found

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tarquin Mills
Marcel Kilgus wrote: In true Sinclair style it was marketed long before it was ready, resulting in initial shipments needing an extra ROM 'dongle' out the back because they couldn't fit SuperBASIC into (I think) 32K. 48K. no 32K, 48K=32K ROMs+16K Kludge later 48K ROMs --

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 18:54:54, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Witchy wrote: I found this list after googling for David Oliver and CST, who hopefully some of you will remember produced the Thor range of machines. Having got my paws on what I think used to be a working Thor

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Tarquin Mills wrote: In true Sinclair style it was marketed long before it was ready, resulting in initial shipments needing an extra ROM 'dongle' out the back because they couldn't fit SuperBASIC into (I think) 32K. 48K. no 32K, 48K=32K ROMs+16K Kludge later 48K ROMs Hm, right, sorry

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Arnould Nazarian
I didn't think anyone would even try to squeeze the whole of QDOS/SuperBasic into 32kb... IIRC only the QDOS had to go into 32 kb. Superbasic was supposed to be loaeded from microdrives. Arnould

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Tony Firshman wrote: 48K. yes, 48k - and not just superbasic - the whole O/S. This was the great thing about the QL. Yes, amazing. But still you've always needed more than that to gain a really usable system. Space for WIN driver, FLP driver, maybe RAM disc, the whole extended environment and

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Dave P
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Marcel Kilgus wrote: This puts the seemingly massive current SMSQ/E for QPC in perspective (currently at 287kb. However, last version for QPC1 was 191kb big! A lot has happened since then... the 3 included screen driver alone take up a whole lot of space). Does anyone

RE: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Witchy
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Firshman Sent: 03 February 2004 19:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor windows to update without pausing the programs. The QL multitasking since then has been 'real

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 19:06:40, Tarquin Mills wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Marcel Kilgus wrote: In true Sinclair style it was marketed long before it was ready, resulting in initial shipments needing an extra ROM 'dongle' out the back because they couldn't fit SuperBASIC into (I think)

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 21:04:33, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tarquin Mills wrote: In true Sinclair style it was marketed long before it was ready, resulting in initial shipments needing an extra ROM 'dongle' out the back because they couldn't fit SuperBASIC into (I think)

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 20:49:14, Witchy wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Firshman Sent: 03 February 2004 19:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor windows to update without

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 21:17:08, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: 48K. yes, 48k - and not just superbasic - the whole O/S. This was the great thing about the QL. Yes, amazing. But still you've always needed more than that to gain a really usable system.

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Bill Waugh
- Original Message - From: Dave P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Marcel Kilgus wrote: This puts the seemingly massive current SMSQ/E for QPC in perspective

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Bill Waugh wrote: Does anyone remember what was originally intended to occupy the 32768-65535 space? Was that all meant to be available for ROM expansion? Or was some of it intended for some other use? Second screen ? Nah, far off. That's at 160kb ($28000). Marcel

RE: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Witchy
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Firshman Sent: 03 February 2004 21:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor Pffft :-) Because I don't know the full ins and outs of any of the machines I've got (other than

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 at 19:41:48, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 48K. yes, 48k - and not just superbasic - the whole O/S. This was the great thing about the QL. It was ready to go without having to load the O/S from file, with a full basic supported command line. Mea Culpa. It was

RE: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Witchy
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Waugh Sent: 03 February 2004 22:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] CST Thor If anyone is interested I think Joe Miller still has some Thor stuff ( 2 or 3 machines but maybe

Re: [ql-users] CST Thor

2004-02-03 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Tony Firshman wrote: When memory became short (often in the pre-Gold Card days) you could see him using the 32k screen area as a working space! Actually there was a bug in exactly this code that more often than not crashed the machine in this situation. I have only fixed it a few months ago