Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
On 20.09.2013, at 14:54, Michael Jackson imikejack...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:35 PM, André Pönitz andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:19:13PM -0700, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: If GDB can support code coming from clang-llvm, perhaps a simpler interim solution would be to build and ship a copy of gdb in the OSX bundle for QtCreator? I don't really think that's a viable option, certainly not one that requires less work than bringing real LLDB support up to snuff. We used to ship usable GDB builds for Windows a while ago when the MinGW builds where lacking scripting support and the whole process was a huge sink of ressources. I'd rather not repeat that, for various reasons. LLDB exposes a lot of its innards to its Python bindings in a straight-forward manner, so it's really just cobbling a few things together. Really no rocket science. On side provides a full debugger, the other side needs a full debugger, missing are only (some of the) connections. Documentation could be a bit better (where not...), so one doesn't end up in dead ends too often, but in general it's a predictable and rewarding environment to work in. I'd rather spend energy moving forward than to maintain last year's status quo. Andre' Thanks all for the comments, I'm going to add my own 2 cents worth since I am a glass is half empty kind of person but also a realist. OS X 10.9 Mavericks will most likely require Xcode 5. Based on History this will probably hold true although I really hope I am wrong. Why? Because without a viable debugger in QtCreator under Xcode 5 anyone upgrading to OS X 10.9 Mavericks will basically render QtCreator useless for Debugging. You can still compile and run, just not debug. Now it sounds like QtCreator is getting close to a release so the LLDB support will not be in there. I don't know where you got that idea from even though André already mentioned that Qt Creator 2.8 already has *some* support for lldb. And to put André's comment but I doubt we will have feature parity with GDB/Linux at 3.0 release time into perspective: GDB/Mac support never had feature parity with GDB/Linux either. Br, Eike And the project needs some programmers to help write all the glue code and then test everything. I'll bet this takes until next summer to get completed. I'm not placing blame anywhere, just my opinion based on the comments in here about finding the time to write the codes. So for those that are using QtCreator but want to run the latest and greatest OS X you have 2 choices: 1: Run OS X 10.9 but have NO debugger. 2: Run OS X 10.8 and have a debugger. There are a few other possible options: 1: The programmer can attempt to compile a newer GDB but from my googling that seems to go nowhere and just does not work. 2: Purchase a commercial debugger like Intels IDB which I thought was GDB Compatible. Which makes me wonder if one can swap IDG for GDB and QtCreator will know the difference? Comments on this idea? Thanks to all --- Mike Jackson ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator -- Eike Ziller, Senior Software Engineer - Digia, Qt Digia Germany GmbH, Rudower Chaussee 13, D-12489 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Mika Pälsi, Juha Varelius, Anja Wasenius Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 144331 B ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:35 PM, André Pönitz andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:19:13PM -0700, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: If GDB can support code coming from clang-llvm, perhaps a simpler interim solution would be to build and ship a copy of gdb in the OSX bundle for QtCreator? I don't really think that's a viable option, certainly not one that requires less work than bringing real LLDB support up to snuff. We used to ship usable GDB builds for Windows a while ago when the MinGW builds where lacking scripting support and the whole process was a huge sink of ressources. I'd rather not repeat that, for various reasons. LLDB exposes a lot of its innards to its Python bindings in a straight-forward manner, so it's really just cobbling a few things together. Really no rocket science. On side provides a full debugger, the other side needs a full debugger, missing are only (some of the) connections. Documentation could be a bit better (where not...), so one doesn't end up in dead ends too often, but in general it's a predictable and rewarding environment to work in. I'd rather spend energy moving forward than to maintain last year's status quo. Andre' Thanks all for the comments, I'm going to add my own 2 cents worth since I am a glass is half empty kind of person but also a realist. OS X 10.9 Mavericks will most likely require Xcode 5. Based on History this will probably hold true although I really hope I am wrong. Why? Because without a viable debugger in QtCreator under Xcode 5 anyone upgrading to OS X 10.9 Mavericks will basically render QtCreator useless for Debugging. You can still compile and run, just not debug. Now it sounds like QtCreator is getting close to a release so the LLDB support will not be in there. And the project needs some programmers to help write all the glue code and then test everything. I'll bet this takes until next summer to get completed. I'm not placing blame anywhere, just my opinion based on the comments in here about finding the time to write the codes. So for those that are using QtCreator but want to run the latest and greatest OS X you have 2 choices: 1: Run OS X 10.9 but have NO debugger. 2: Run OS X 10.8 and have a debugger. There are a few other possible options: 1: The programmer can attempt to compile a newer GDB but from my googling that seems to go nowhere and just does not work. 2: Purchase a commercial debugger like Intels IDB which I thought was GDB Compatible. Which makes me wonder if one can swap IDG for GDB and QtCreator will know the difference? Comments on this idea? Thanks to all --- Mike Jackson ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Michael Jackson imikejack...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:35 PM, André Pönitz andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:19:13PM -0700, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: If GDB can support code coming from clang-llvm, perhaps a simpler interim solution would be to build and ship a copy of gdb in the OSX bundle for QtCreator? I don't really think that's a viable option, certainly not one that requires less work than bringing real LLDB support up to snuff. We used to ship usable GDB builds for Windows a while ago when the MinGW builds where lacking scripting support and the whole process was a huge sink of ressources. I'd rather not repeat that, for various reasons. LLDB exposes a lot of its innards to its Python bindings in a straight-forward manner, so it's really just cobbling a few things together. Really no rocket science. On side provides a full debugger, the other side needs a full debugger, missing are only (some of the) connections. Documentation could be a bit better (where not...), so one doesn't end up in dead ends too often, but in general it's a predictable and rewarding environment to work in. I'd rather spend energy moving forward than to maintain last year's status quo. Andre' Thanks all for the comments, I'm going to add my own 2 cents worth since I am a glass is half empty kind of person but also a realist. OS X 10.9 Mavericks will most likely require Xcode 5. Based on History this will probably hold true although I really hope I am wrong. Why? Because without a viable debugger in QtCreator under Xcode 5 anyone upgrading to OS X 10.9 Mavericks will basically render QtCreator useless for Debugging. You can still compile and run, just not debug. Now it sounds like QtCreator is getting close to a release so the LLDB support will not be in there. And the project needs some programmers to help write all the glue code and then test everything. I'll bet this takes until next summer to get completed. I'm not placing blame anywhere, just my opinion based on the comments in here about finding the time to write the codes. So for those that are using QtCreator but want to run the latest and greatest OS X you have 2 choices: 1: Run OS X 10.9 but have NO debugger. 2: Run OS X 10.8 and have a debugger. There are a few other possible options: 1: The programmer can attempt to compile a newer GDB but from my googling that seems to go nowhere and just does not work. 2: Purchase a commercial debugger like Intels IDB which I thought was GDB Compatible. Which makes me wonder if one can swap IDG for GDB and QtCreator will know the difference? Comments on this idea? Thanks to all --- Mike Jackson I will answer some of my own questions. Based on http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/article/407601/release-notes-c-2013sp1-m-en.pdf One rather expensive solution is to purchase the intel compilers which come with GDB version 7.5.x and require python so it looks as if this would meet all the requirements that QtCreator needs. Do I *like* this solution? Nope. I think $800 USD for a compiler is a bit insane but then the windows side of the world seems to think this is OK, with respect to the price of Visual Studio Pro. The release notes also mention that IDB is going to be deprecated in the future. What would be nice would be to get Intel to release just the GDB binaries then this mess would be solved, at least until the LLDB codes got up to snuff. Cheers -- Mike Jackson ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
20.09.2013, 16:54, Michael Jackson imikejack...@gmail.com: On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:35 PM, André Pönitz andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:19:13PM -0700, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: If GDB can support code coming from clang-llvm, perhaps a simpler interim solution would be to build and ship a copy of gdb in the OSX bundle for QtCreator? I don't really think that's a viable option, certainly not one that requires less work than bringing real LLDB support up to snuff. We used to ship usable GDB builds for Windows a while ago when the MinGW builds where lacking scripting support and the whole process was a huge sink of ressources. I'd rather not repeat that, for various reasons. LLDB exposes a lot of its innards to its Python bindings in a straight-forward manner, so it's really just cobbling a few things together. Really no rocket science. On side provides a full debugger, the other side needs a full debugger, missing are only (some of the) connections. Documentation could be a bit better (where not...), so one doesn't end up in dead ends too often, but in general it's a predictable and rewarding environment to work in. I'd rather spend energy moving forward than to maintain last year's status quo. Andre' Thanks all for the comments, I'm going to add my own 2 cents worth since I am a glass is half empty kind of person but also a realist. OS X 10.9 Mavericks will most likely require Xcode 5. Based on History this will probably hold true although I really hope I am wrong. Why? Because without a viable debugger in QtCreator under Xcode 5 anyone upgrading to OS X 10.9 Mavericks will basically render QtCreator useless for Debugging. You can still compile and run, just not debug. Now it sounds like QtCreator is getting close to a release so the LLDB support will not be in there. And the project needs some programmers to help write all the glue code and then test everything. I'll bet this takes until next summer to get completed. I'm not placing blame anywhere, just my opinion based on the comments in here about finding the time to write the codes. So for those that are using QtCreator but want to run the latest and greatest OS X you have 2 choices: 1: Run OS X 10.9 but have NO debugger. 2: Run OS X 10.8 and have a debugger. There are a few other possible options: 1: The programmer can attempt to compile a newer GDB but from my googling that seems to go nowhere and just does not work. Use gentoo prefix, macports, or something like these. 2: Purchase a commercial debugger like Intels IDB which I thought was GDB Compatible. Which makes me wonder if one can swap IDG for GDB and QtCreator will know the difference? Comments on this idea? I doubt IDB support gdb-compatibly python API, so it probably won't be usable from within Creator. -- Regards, Konstantin ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 08:41:45AM -0400, Michael Jackson wrote: I was out at Apple's Developer ready to download and try out Xcode 5 and was looking through the release notes when I came across this little line: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/ WhatsNewXcode/Articles/xcode_5_0.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012953-SW8 * Important: Xcode 5 does not support use of the LLVM-GCC compiler and the GDB debugger. Existing projects configured to use LLVM-GCC and GDB will be reconfigured to use the LLVM compiler and LLDB debugger when opened by Xcode 5. Please file a bug using bugreporter.apple.com for any issues that prevent you from moving to Xcode 5 for this reason. * Will QtCreator work with LLDB? Last I heard it does not. At least the 2.8.2 version that I am using. Any updates/thoughts/embellishments on this would be great. In theory, 2.8.2 has some experimental LLDB support covering basic stepping, simple local start, populating most of the debugger views etc. If it doesn't work _at all_ for you, please file a bug report, including version of LLDB and a full debugger log. I am currently using some 179.5 version that came with earlier XCode, and a 300.0 build from source. There's quite a couple of open issues related to not-yet-implemented functionality already, and I intend to address a bit of that until 3.0 beta, but I doubt we will have feature parity with GDB/Linux at 3.0 release time. As usual, any help is welcome. Currently most pressing issues are mostly grunt work, adding a few parameters here and there, stuff that's easy to get started with, just needs to be done, but quite a bit of that ;-} Andre' ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
If GDB can support code coming from clang-llvm, perhaps a simpler interim solution would be to build and ship a copy of gdb in the OSX bundle for QtCreator? On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:16 PM, André Pönitz andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 08:41:45AM -0400, Michael Jackson wrote: I was out at Apple's Developer ready to download and try out Xcode 5 and was looking through the release notes when I came across this little line: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/ WhatsNewXcode/Articles/xcode_5_0.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012953-SW8 * Important: Xcode 5 does not support use of the LLVM-GCC compiler and the GDB debugger. Existing projects configured to use LLVM-GCC and GDB will be reconfigured to use the LLVM compiler and LLDB debugger when opened by Xcode 5. Please file a bug using bugreporter.apple.com for any issues that prevent you from moving to Xcode 5 for this reason. * Will QtCreator work with LLDB? Last I heard it does not. At least the 2.8.2 version that I am using. Any updates/thoughts/embellishments on this would be great. In theory, 2.8.2 has some experimental LLDB support covering basic stepping, simple local start, populating most of the debugger views etc. If it doesn't work _at all_ for you, please file a bug report, including version of LLDB and a full debugger log. I am currently using some 179.5 version that came with earlier XCode, and a 300.0 build from source. There's quite a couple of open issues related to not-yet-implemented functionality already, and I intend to address a bit of that until 3.0 beta, but I doubt we will have feature parity with GDB/Linux at 3.0 release time. As usual, any help is welcome. Currently most pressing issues are mostly grunt work, adding a few parameters here and there, stuff that's easy to get started with, just needs to be done, but quite a bit of that ;-} Andre' ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Xcode 5 no longer has GDB included. Ramifications?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:19:13PM -0700, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote: If GDB can support code coming from clang-llvm, perhaps a simpler interim solution would be to build and ship a copy of gdb in the OSX bundle for QtCreator? I don't really think that's a viable option, certainly not one that requires less work than bringing real LLDB support up to snuff. We used to ship usable GDB builds for Windows a while ago when the MinGW builds where lacking scripting support and the whole process was a huge sink of ressources. I'd rather not repeat that, for various reasons. LLDB exposes a lot of its innards to its Python bindings in a straight-forward manner, so it's really just cobbling a few things together. Really no rocket science. On side provides a full debugger, the other side needs a full debugger, missing are only (some of the) connections. Documentation could be a bit better (where not...), so one doesn't end up in dead ends too often, but in general it's a predictable and rewarding environment to work in. I'd rather spend energy moving forward than to maintain last year's status quo. Andre' ___ Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qt-creator
