Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread David Woolley
Chris Albertson wrote: I have to admit I know nothing abut Linux serial PPS. My guess is I need to somehow set this up before I try to get it to work with NTP. My clockstats file is filled with the the messages quoted below. Is there something I can read. I've build ntpd with the required

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread David Lord
Hal Murray wrote: In article AANLkTikErZ-bkbwnFBQHWsNe7OUL=sx4oetg+9r_u...@mail.gmail.com, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: I have to admit I know nothing abut Linux serial PPS. My guess is I need to somehow set this up before I try to get it to work with NTP. My clockstats

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Hal Murray
In article ia4v28-a6c@p4x2400c.home.lordynet.org, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org writes: or even a LED + diode + resistor will be enough to show if there is a pulse. Radioclkd2 can be used in debug mode to confirm the single DCD pulse and width. Some devices put out a narrow (10 microsecond)

Re: [ntp:questions] Detecting bufferbloat via ntp?

2011-02-17 Thread Hal Murray
In article slrnilckj1.3pd.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl, Rob nom...@example.com writes: Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net wrote: It would be good if someone (or someones) has actually been collecting rawstats for a long period, to serve as a baseline. Bufferbloat is a relatively new

Re: [ntp:questions] Detecting bufferbloat via ntp?

2011-02-17 Thread Hal Murray
In article ijhd7d$au6$1...@news.eternal-september.org, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid writes: As far as I can tell the products have all the knobs they need to be properly configured to deal with the issue. The ISPs /

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Mike S
At 01:16 AM 2/17/2011, Chris Albertson wrote... My guess is I need to somehow set this up before I try to get it to work with NTP. Yes, NTP messages aren't very informative. Do you have the pps-tools(ppstest specifically)? Info at

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Thomas Laus
On 2011-02-17, Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net wrote: Some devices put out a narrow (10 microsecond) pulse. I don't know what the Oncore does. I have one PC that works fine with a narrow pulse and another PC that doesn't see it. I kludged together a pulse stretcher

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 2/17/2011 5:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote: In articleia4v28-a6c@p4x2400c.home.lordynet.org, David Lordsn...@lordynet.org writes: or even a LED + diode + resistor will be enough to show if there is a pulse. Radioclkd2 can be used in debug mode to confirm the single DCD pulse and width.

Re: [ntp:questions] Detecting bufferbloat via ntp?

2011-02-17 Thread Kevin Oberman
From: hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:52:36 -0600 Sender: questions-bounces+oberman=es@lists.ntp.org In article slrnilckj1.3pd.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl, Rob nom...@example.com writes: Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Chris Albertson
The pointer to ppstest might be what I need, a way to see it it's working without depending on ntpd being configured correctly. I'll try it this weekend. I have an LED on my Oncore and I can see by eye the pulse is roughly 0.2 seconds, certainly not in the microseconds range. The PPS goes to a

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-02-17 Thread Q
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:ijhb50$ifm$1...@news.eternal-september.org... V3.60 was out at the start of Jan I think - but there is nothing in the notes to say this issue is resolved. Do we need to chase this with Garmin UK? Yes, we do. I've

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-02-17 Thread Terje Mathisen
David J Taylor wrote: I'm supposed to be on the Garmin RSS feed for updates, but I didn't see 3.60 announced. I've now downloaded a copy but, as you say, it doesn't claim to address the issue. I'm still waiting for my Sure Electronics equivalent to arrive from China:

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Harlan Stenn
Mike wrote: Yes, NTP messages aren't very informative. ... Patches or bug/enhancement requests are welcome. H ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Hal Murray
In article aanlktimlss1bjtrde77av92-wwfyr_g7ovm7zd0yr...@mail.gmail.com, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: (It's a 75 foot serial cable.) I suspect a software configuration problem or maybe polarity. If the polarity is wrong, you will just use the other edge. It will be off

Re: [ntp:questions] GPX18x LVC 3.50 firmware - high serial delay problem workround

2011-02-17 Thread David J Taylor
Ok I'll go back over your past posts re the problem and report it myself to Garmin UK and see what they say - once I get something back I'll let you know. I have 3.60 running anyway with no new problems (that I can see) Thanks, Q, I can't see it doing any harm. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Mike S
At 02:59 PM 2/17/2011, Hal Murray wrote... If the polarity is wrong, you will just use the other edge. It will be off in timing by the pulse width. It will appear to work, just get the wrong answer. Not necessarily. ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Detecting bufferbloat via ntp?

2011-02-17 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Hal Murray wrote: BlackLists wrote: As far as I can tell the products have all the knobs they need to be properly configured to deal with the issue. The ISPs / NOC staff / IT departments / ... just aren't taking the time, to properly / fully configure the products, rather than

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 2/17/2011 12:55 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: The pointer to ppstest might be what I need, a way to see it it's working without depending on ntpd being configured correctly. I'll try it this weekend. I have an LED on my Oncore and I can see by eye the pulse is roughly 0.2 seconds, certainly

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 2/17/2011 2:59 PM, Hal Murray wrote: In articleaanlktimlss1bjtrde77av92-wwfyr_g7ovm7zd0yr...@mail.gmail.com, Chris Albertsonalbertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: (It's a 75 foot serial cable.) I suspect a software configuration problem or maybe polarity. You should also consider possible

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: You should also consider possible problems with the serial cable.  The RS232-C standard says fifty feet is the maximum length.  Many people have used cable runs far longer than fifty feet.  It frequently works

Re: [ntp:questions] Detecting bufferbloat via ntp?

2011-02-17 Thread Rick Jones
Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net wrote: In article slrnilckj1.3pd.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl, Rob nom...@example.com writes: When downloading a single big file causes you 3 second delays, you simply have set an insanely large TCP window. I didn't tweak anything. If you are

Re: [ntp:questions] Detecting bufferbloat via ntp?

2011-02-17 Thread Rick Jones
Dave Täht d...@taht.net wrote: Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com writes: Or rather, that even after setting the tx queue lengths to 32 packets, a test between that system and one 7ms away still resulted in 4MB socket buffers by the end of the test. Ie confirming that the linux autotuning

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting PPS to work with Oncore ref clock

2011-02-17 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 01:16 AM 2/17/2011, Chris Albertson wrote... Get your source working with ppstest working before you try NTP. When your PPS source is set up and working, you should get something like: locke:/usr/src/pps-tools# ./ppstest