Re: [ntp:questions] ntp_gettime - reconnect

2007-10-19 Thread Hal Murray
What does ntp_gettime returns if the connection has failed? You can do the experiment yourself. Just unplug the ethernet cable. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Can a clock drift be too big for ntpd?

2007-10-19 Thread Hal Murray
It is de-rigueur to mention Linux and missing interrupts in the same sentence. Even in the absence of evidence. RedHat 7.2 shipped with IDE disks running with DMA disabled. (I assumed that was a workaround for buggy hardware or a buggy driver.) That was ok with light loads which covered most

Re: [ntp:questions] Can a clock drift be too big for ntpd?

2007-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
It seems as if ntpd can't keep its clock syncronized. It's drifting about 6-10 minutes per day, well over the 500 ppm limit. After reading some of the posts on this newsgroup, I have come to realize that debugging ntp problems can be quite complex. Before I launch into a detailed search, I

Re: [ntp:questions] Refreshing IP Addresses

2007-09-28 Thread Hal Murray
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evandro Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many former participants of the NTP pool have stated that they continue with lingering NTP clients after they left the pool. The reason for this is that ntpd never tries to resolve an IP address (assuming that *.pool.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] Reading the RTC

2007-09-25 Thread Hal Murray
Unless I missed something, the RTC raises the IRQ when the fraction of a second is 0.5 NOT when it is 0. Or is something perhaps delaying the IRQ by 500 ms every time? In other words, when I receive the IRQ, and the RTC tells me the date, it is, in fact, 500 ms later than this date? It sounds

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with a Serial PPS

2007-09-25 Thread Hal Murray
The SHM driver is only useful if you have a helper program running outside ntpd which writes to the SHared Memory segment. Does anything other than gpsd write info to the SHM segment? The (atomized) NMEA driver is the correct one to use with the GPS-18LVC. I've lost track of PPS support in

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-11 Thread Hal Murray
Suppose a ntpd client can pick up 5 random pool servers, and periodically (say once a day) replace the 'worst' server by randomly picking a new one. I like that suggestion. But, ignoring implementation details, how do you decide which of two servers is better? Is a server with 20 ms of jitter

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP settings for machine with irregular, short connections to the Net

2007-09-11 Thread Hal Murray
The use of broadcast mode is important because it will allow the fixed systems on the LAN to notice the laptop within ~ 64 seconds after it is ready to be be a server. Broadcast mode sounds like asking for troubles when you are plugged into the net at the site you are visiting. It would be too

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-11 Thread Hal Murray
I like that suggestion. But, ignoring implementation details, how do you decide which of two servers is better? If one would get a '*' or '+' in ntpq peers output, and the other would not, then it is better? That tells you which is better right now. I was looking for something that averaged

Re: [ntp:questions] LAPIC timer and PIT

2007-09-05 Thread Hal Murray
Therefore, whether I use the PIT or the LAPIC timer, ntpd will compute a similar frequency offset (that of the crystal driving these two timers). Right? That's what I would expect. If you are interested in this area, I suggest collecting and graphing some data. Can you see any difference?

Re: [ntp:questions] Unexplained steps

2007-09-04 Thread Hal Murray
I'm totally confused by this series of snapshots below. Running 4.2.4p3 under NetBSD-3.1/patch, I started seeing some strange steps this morning. I added some logging instructions in ntp.conf and restarted the daemon, and the steps keep happening. remote refid st t when poll

Re: [ntp:questions] To check tim

2007-08-31 Thread Hal Murray
to synchronize time stamping in pharmaceutical enviromental it is possible to connect all production machines via NTP to one Time Server. Question is: Is there a procedure developped to validate that all connected production machines do have the same time adjusted than the time server? This

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.conf

2007-08-21 Thread Hal Murray
Here's what I want to do. I want to change the clock on my client machine will automatically adjust when I change the clock on my server machine. And I also want to record the statistics. You are in the wrong place, then. ntpd has various defences against machines that suddenly change their

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.conf

2007-08-21 Thread Hal Murray
Basically, what i need is how to add to the ntp.conf to record statistics. Thanks There is good documentation. If you have the sources, it's (probably) in .../html/monopt.html If not, google for clockstats peerstats and you should be able to find a copy easily. (finding one that matches your

Re: [ntp:questions] A conceptual NTP question

2007-08-20 Thread Hal Murray
I see that nslookup resolves 1.us.pool.ntp.org into a list of IP addresses. How does ntp deal with several IP addresses for a single nerver name in ntp.conf? It picks one and remembers it until you restart ntpd. Most DNS servers deliver the set of addresses in random order to distribute the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP architecture recommendation

2007-08-18 Thread Hal Murray
Does anyone know what the comparative GPS timing accuracies are in precision and degraded modes? http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/saoff/ http://www.niceties.com/atomic.html My feeling is that even degraded would still be within the microsecond. The graphs in the above URLs used gear

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP architecture recommendation

2007-08-17 Thread Hal Murray
Thanks for the clarification, and the hint with a CDMA-based solution. Of course, ideally, I would try to have a stratum 1 clock available on the LAN, avoiding the network to mess up my highly accurate time from the reference clock. Actually this might be the only solution, as cell phones might

Re: [ntp:questions] refclock_gpsvme.c from True Time GPS-VME to Brandywine PCI-SyncClock32

2007-08-14 Thread Hal Murray
Why not assigning a new driver number for PCI-SyncClock32 and add a refclock_psc.c? It's a minor pain to maintain a driver. If it's reasonable, it's much simpler ovarall to make a single driver support several versions of hardware. My guess is that the hardware out on the board is pretty much

Re: [ntp:questions] SVeeSix via USB on Linux?

2007-08-07 Thread Hal Murray
I believe NMEA is pretty much useless without a PPS signal. NMEA works without a PPS. It just doesn't work as well as people would like. I'd expect offsets in the tens of milliseconds range rather than microseconds. I don't have any data to back that up but I can get it if it will help. The

Re: [ntp:questions] Building/cannabalizing a WWVB radioclock...

2007-08-03 Thread Hal Murray
In that case, I may need to use D cells or a power adapter for long-term use. The usual hack is to power it off one of the modem control signals. It doesn't take much power. I'd add a regulator if I couldn't find the specs on the chip. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.

Re: [ntp:questions] Installing more stable oscillator?

2007-07-16 Thread Hal Murray
Suppose I build something like that. Is there anything I should tinker with to tell ntpd that it has a (very) stable local clock? fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 1. (-: In fact, isn't this how stratum 0s are born? That's not the case I was interested in. I was thinking about a PC that had a clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Installing more stable oscillator?

2007-07-16 Thread Hal Murray
According to https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=223pvID=796, it says that the receiver has an integrated magnetic base. I had never noticed the magnet. Being curious, I tried it with a handy knife. Yes, there is a magnet there. Even if it doesn't, Richard's solution of some glue and a

Re: [ntp:questions] Is 24PPM an Excessive Real-Time Clock Correction?

2007-07-12 Thread Hal Murray
On a related note, I've read the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator Care must be taken to use only one crystal oscillator source when designing circuits to avoid subtle failure modes of metastability in electronics. If this is not possible, the number of distinct

Re: [ntp:questions] Is 24PPM an Excessive Real-Time Clock Correction?

2007-07-12 Thread Hal Murray
Upgrading and Repairing PCs, 17th Edition states: A crystal oscillator controls clock speeds using a sliver of quartz sometimes contained in what looks like a small tin container. Newer systems include the oscillator circuitry in the motherboard chipset, so it might not be a visible separate

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